I believe your neanderthal information is outdated. Did you read the analysis i provided for neanderthal? How would their genes be in modern humans, if they did not have direct genetic mixing? How could they reproduce if they were not the same species? I presented the current evidence, & gave my analysis & application to this thread here: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=490664&page=89&p=1067157535#post1067157535 Perhaps you missed it. But i see no reason to stoop to insults.. you have been one of the more reasonable debaters here. I would hate to lose you to the dark side. I am not trying to make anyone feel like anything. I present my reasoning. I add some commentary. Sometimes i overstate the commentary, but i clearly present evidence. Quotes, studies, hard facts.. My earlier complaint applies here. Most evolutionists are woefully behind with their own theory. They still hang on to debunked arguments, state speculations as fact, & many have a 19th century view of this belief system. And, i get the 'feeling' that many of my arguments, evidences, & posts in general are not even read. But, that is the nature of forum posting, ..the thread strings along & the topic gets banged about like a pinball. My emphasis is with genetics. I see it as the major problem for the ToE, & it has 'debunked' many things that were one believed, about living organisms. We are not apes.. not genetically, anyway. A dog is a canid.. so is a wolf. That was my point. I was not addressing the more arbitrary taxonomies, or even the phylogenetic classifications. I was going to the genetic level, & seeing if there was actual evidence for real descendancy. I see it with those canids. I don't with the hominids.