Fallacies of Evolution

These type of rants from the godless makes me think they live in constant torment. Turning from their true convictions, because Jesus stands at the door and knocks.... they must drown out the sound.

 

I bet you used this book for science "education"

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Still waiting for SOMETHING from you, "primate."

 

Torment from what? The thought of missing out on meeting an imaginary entity? I got over that when I found out the truth about Santa.
Why, in your deepest imaginings, do you suppose any atheist even remotely considers a Jesus knocking on his door. The closest to that is a 7th day adventist knocking.

You don't live in torment wondering about the reality of Shiva do you? Hindus have their fairy tales too.

 

This tells me why you think others are wrong not to buy into it, but it doesn't tell me why you do buy into it.

Given that fallible humans are the source of acceptance, what's missing is a reason to find this compelling.

I'm missing a couple things. One is a reason to believe the development of such resistance constitutes a fundamental change which could eventually lead to a "higher order" species. The other, given that viruses are not known to be life forms, is a reason to believe viral evolution has anything to do with such evolution as is claimed to be the process which produced human beings - which of course is the only reason evolution is more interesting to the general public than the mating habits of the tsetse fly.

Sure I can, at least in the sense of refusing to be lured into endless rabbit holes that evince no promise of enlightenment as regards human origins.

 

"But you cannot deny all the evidence" is pure nonsense.
It PRETENDS to "prove" Darwinian evolution, but in fact gives support only to adaptation.
There is profound and widespread evidence contradicting Darwinian evolution - far more than necessary to convince thoughtful, unbiased scientists, which Darwinists never are. Like typical Leftists and atheists, they cannot admit that they were wrong, they are so full of pride and condenscension, and hatred.

Even nature shows on television always make the claim that this animal or that "is perfectly adapted to their environment."
It's never "perfectly evolved."

 

You are definitely tormented or you wouldn't waste so much time on persecuting what you believe to be "fairy tales". It is more obvious than you think.

 

What's obvious is that you're in the wrong forum.

 

I've responded twice and I don't see it.

pKa for what? Human blood? Ocean water? Why is it intracellular water is so much like Ocean water? Why is normal saline 0.9%?

I assume you mean human hemoglobin which is 4 polypeptides with 'space' for heme. Now you explain why not all humans have the same hemoglobin. No need to be mocking.

 

Clearly you don't even know what pKa means. I asked "the range of pKa values. It is a simple and straightforward question.
You simply cannot begin to answer it.

Nor do you understand what "space" means in the context I used it. You are a typical follower of Charles Darwin.
You claim a mantle of others far better educated than you are, and pretend to be right because you pretend to be so very smart, when clearly you are not, but IF YOU WERE, that still would not make you, or them, right.

Now I have made many challenges here and elsewhere, and nobody has come close to answering any of those challenges. You simply answered my questions with (your inane) questions.

 

I guess I must be on your long ignore list. You haven't responded to my question regarding the OP.

 

The reason most debate these "Fairy Tales" would be an altruistic desire to help individuals who do not seem to understand what they are. That this comes off as persecution is not the responsibility of the person pointing out the issue, but the individual erroneously feeling persecuted. Asking for data to explain said belief is what debate entails, refusing to provide it due to having no data is accepting loss of the debate.

No one who "Believes" in God has EVER participated honestly in debate on it.

 

I don't persecute "fairy tales". It is obvious you do not understand the word "persecute".

A "fairy tale" is not a person.

Perhaps you feel I am persecuting you. If you cannot accept comments that are contradictory to your views, that's your problem. You make comments that are contradictory to my views. So do many others. I don't feel persecuted.

 

Polypeptides of necessity take on three dimensional aspects and in the case of 'normal hemoglobin' is folded to have the space to contain and keep heme which carries oxygen to the cells. I suspect you are pulling this stuff out of a hat to deflect from your lack of knowledge overall by 'testing' your debaters rather than have a meaningful, respectful, and thought provoking conversation. pH is a measure of the acidity of a substance. pKa is the acid dissociation constant. Anyone can look it up. Asking the range of pKa's without specifying the substance is an absurd question. It's unanswerable as you asked it. I suspect if YOU knew more about the topic you'd understand that. You're deflecting from your lack of knowledge of evolution by asking inane questions. Actually they could be perfectly good questions but still deflect and conflate from your own topic which is evolution. It's a straw man.

Now if you want to have a debate about evolution then you'd be interested in conversing about why don't all humans have the same hemoglobin. It's intimately related to evolution when you consider beta thalassemia and both sickle cell trait and disease. There is arguably some evolutionary benefit to having a mutated hemoglobin for some people in certain regions of the world. Why is that? That's not an inane question but raises multiple issues about the evolutionary process and one which a Creationist will have to be creative to answer. I remind you the subject of hemoglobin was raised by you. You demand answers of those you debate then ridicule them when you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about in answering your own questions.

Again, you seem to be stuck in a world of all or nothing thinking.

I'm bored and a tad more than annoyed by your 'debate' tactics. Have a pleasant day.

 

They also contain all the necessary ammunition to show the fallacies of evolution.
Or did you not care to look?

 

Just provide what evolution has found. Of course there isn't anything or you'd have done so.

I'll bet I've taken more biology than anyone on this thread. I was a pre-med student for years.

Not true. The issue is about transitioning species. Not a single shred has been found and I've
talked to many, many college science professors and they have to admit that there is no evidence
of a species changing into another species.

Not true. I demand evidence. You don't. I find that appalling.

I'm not a creationist. Leave it to the non-science people to stoop to name calling and lies to
make themselves feel better. Perhaps science has nothing to do with your belief in evolution. What fear
you you hold?
It's obvious from the content of your posts that you don't understand science. You're assuming
that highly educated people in science, of which I'm one, must believe in evolution. I demand
convincing evidence. So far there isn't any. Extrapolation and artistic renderings is all you have.
Correction, is all evolution has.

 

You could NOT be more wrong in your pretensions. One compound does NOT have a "range of pKa values."
It most commonly has ONE. THE RANGE of pKa values spans approximately fifty orders of magnitude.
THE REASON it spans trillions of trillions of dissociation constants is because the hydrogen bond in methane, for example, is proportionately stronger than the hydrogen bond in hydrofluoric acid.

Now that you have thoroughly botched that simple subject, we will move on to your next botched pretension.

One mutation is not REMOTELY close to "evolution." So you are incapable of any debate there as well.

The subject is evolution. Quit trying to change the subject. That is terribly unscientific and unintelligent of you.

You don't even know what the "space of hemoglobin" is. You have not a clue.

I'll give you a clue. 574 to the 20th power.

Nor did you make the feeblest effort to explain why hemoglobin defies LeChatelier's Principle.

I'll explain that as well. You never could, nor could anybody else on your side of the evolutionary fable.

As substrates lose a radical, they hold each successive radical, whatever it may be, more tightly. In other words, they give up the first one easiest, as one might expect. Hemoglobin defies this in that it holds the fourth oxygen molecule the loosest, exactly the opposite. The third, second, and first oxygen molecule to be released each are bound more tightly than their previous one.

THAT is the violation of LeChatelier's Principle, about which you nor any other Darwinist had a clue. And yet all of you pretend to
SO ERUDITE and SOPHISTICATED, and SCIENTIFIC when it clearly is untrue.

And now my Ignore List just grew by one.

~ciao

 

You do not need to help me. My God helps me. He is my shepherd, I will lack nothing, He makes me lie down in green pastures, He leads me beside quiet waters, He restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for His names sake. Even when I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I won't fear evil, for He is with me; His rod and His staff, they comfort me, He shall prepare a table for me in the presence of my enemies. He anoints my head with oil....my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever!

 

Perhaps you don't FEEL persecuted. You are however defeated. I see chem engineer has your # and you cannot begin to answer the questions he has for you. You can attack my faith , fine, but don't EVEN try to attack his intellect buddy because you have met your match!!

 

Neat....as usual no actual debate.

 

You don't even make sense when you debate. You state a compound has one. Well, one what? One numerical range? Or one number? You must define things well enough for others to understand what you mean.

What's the range of the pH of human blood both normally and in disease states? How else does one become acidotic if there is one number? And if there is a range then that implies multiple numbers within that range. And again, you deflect. What the heck does your first paragraph have to do with evolution? Are you using physical chemistry to try to say something about evolution or are you just deflecting and conflating the issues? It appears you are doing the latter. I don't give a rat's bottom about some physical chemistry aspect re hemoglobin. It doesn't help me understand anything about the pathology revolving around different hemoglobins in humans. What is important is why humans evolved variants of hemoglobin so that abnormal hemoglobin somehow conveys some benefits to those afflicted.

And yes I'm familiar with the dissociation curve for oxygen desaturation in mammals although I confess I didn't look up your hand picked principle. The reason not is that ignorance of one fact does not negate the overall volume of information either on hand or easily refreshed once learned. You don't really think a scientist is actually a repository of all human knowledge do you? We remember a lot and forget more but we have oh yeah moments of I learned that then and we know how to refresh the data as necessary.

Who said anything about one mutation causing evolution although it can. You chose that argument because it fits your agenda. What are the mutations for BHH that causes major and minor beta thalassemia? What are the mutations in sickle cell disease? Why is that important? Why didn't the creator just create one hemoglobin for all mammals? He didn't even create one hemoglobin for Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

What happens when a codon is duplicated? How might that affect evolution? What mutations or coding errors occurred in humans that affected our ability to speak? What are the mutations and where on the human genome for primary cerebellar agenesis? Why is it important to understand those mutations but much more importantly how important is it to know what happens when one is missing that organ? What does that say about the evolution of speech and fine motor coordination primarily for the use of tools? How does that dovetail into any discussion of the evolution of Homo erectus to archaic then modern Homo Sapiens?

 

It's impossible to debate what we know by faith. Problem is...you don't admit when you are merely speculating.

 

It is not impossible to debate a believing faith unless it is anathema to do so. Your statement above closes all debate and what you fail to see is it is you doing it. Science is constant skepticism. The longer one practices it the more repelled one is by dogma....from any position.

And I'm truly out of here.

 

Why is it necessary to resort to name calling? You can believe in evolution and a creator. You're exhibiting all or nothing thinking a cognitive distortion. The fact you see that as exclusionary is your problem not everyone else's.