Fallen officer's family snubs McConnell and McCarthy at Jan. 6 gold medal ceremony

They are traitors. And they were trying to "give" the government to the Orange Spanker. You really think that this isn't all that bad?

 

The leaders who were in charge of capital security were fired. Did any of them say Pelosi ignored their pleas for help?

 

Violation of the law is, in my opinion, an impeachable offense.

In my opinion Trump violated the law in regards to the 2020 election.

 

It sure is. The claim that these actions and inactions is not impeachable is ludicrous.

 

That is McCarthy now, not then. McCarthy defends legitimate political discourse by the RNC. And McConnell did not do enough in their eyes. He was silent, but did not rebuke the President at that time when it happened.

BTW, that quote from McCarthy was held in private and has not been confirmed or denied by McCarthy himself.

 

No! This is complete bunk. A blood clot in his artery located in the neck leading to the brain caused his death... PERIOD. Blood clots DO NOT, and this one DID NOT form in a day. This blood clot was formed over many months and possibly years. The first symptoms of such blood clots and subsequent strokes are often "sudden death". Your reference is to a response given by the medical examiner whose report spoke for itself. A journalist wanted a different answer... an answer which she could use to tie it to January 6th. After not getting the answer she desired, she repeatedly pressed the medical examiner for a different answer. The medical examiner finally answered in frustration, "Well I guess you could say it might have had some effect on the clot." That was all the journalist needed to run out and spout off fake news claiming the medical examiner said the cause of death was the January 6 tumult. This is so far from the reality of his medical condition and cause of death it amounts to an outright lie.

The other 2 deaths were due to suicide within a week of January 6. I find this very conspicuous. What are the chances 2 people from such a small group would commit suicide 3 and 7 days after the uproar? I find this suspicious. Reminds me of the kind of stuff you hear about in Russia where people mysteriously get poisoned or end up committing suicide or dying by strange accidents at alarming rates. Sounds like they might have known something someone didn't trust them to know. Regardless, these 3 of the 5 deaths are not attributable to the January 6 uproar as far as we know. The other 2 deaths which occurred on January 6 were a result of 1) an accidental discharge when one of the GOVERNMENT agents improperly handled his gun, placed his finger on the trigger, with safety off, it went off shooting another government agent in the chest, and 2) An elderly woman visiting the capital was crushed by the crowd. If you would like I can describe what occurred that day from a first-hand account.

 

There was no fallen police officer at January 6th.

The only person that was killed was the veteran that the Police murdered.

 

Which law? Be specific.

As for whether its "impeachable", you may recall, the House actually did impeach him on January 13th, and the Senate acquitted him one month later, on February 13th. In other words, the House impeachment managers failed to present persuasive evidence to the requisite number of Senators that President Trump should be convicted.

 

There was an elderly woman who got stampeded in the tumult which occurred following the guy you referred to as a veteran shot accidentally by the Police (e.g., the one you referenced in your post). My understanding is the guy who got shot was Captial Police and it was an accident.

It was no insurrection. There weren't that many people there. Maybe 3000 (5000 tops). There wasn't much activity and people were milling around eating sandwiches on the steps as there were no better places to sit. Others were out on the grass in small groups discussing various topics related to the compromise of the election, et al. Some were walking around inside the capital building. This is why I laugh when I hear people claim the capital was "stormed". There was no need to storm the capital. It was open to the public as always and people had been strolling in and out all day. At the top of the steps there is a flat landing area (see 2nd photo). The police were lined against the Capital building covering the last ten feet of the landing area at the top of the steps on either side. They were set back aways on the landing and there was plenty of room to proceed up the steps and into the Capital. The police had these waist high metal barricades in front of them, separating them from the citizens. Many were on the steps and were using the stairs and the flat seating areas alongside the stairs (1st photo) eating and casually talking. Kind of like these little piece-wise flat walls you can see in the first image.





Word spread out of the capital, onto the steps and out onto the grass that someone had been shot inside the capital. At the time, few knew the circumstances. Just that "someone had been shot". An Ambulance arrived, and the police suddenly moved their barricades forward into the people at the top of the steps, forcing them back down the steps. Simultaneously a group of guys who were masked began pushing the people at the bottom of the steps up the steps. These masked men are now suspected to have been FBI who infiltrated amongst the protestors according to testimony. Initially the claim was they were neo NAZI's. Neo NAZI's don't have such nice dental work, don't tend to be in such good shape, and don't speak with such perfect diction. Anyway, this resulted in what can only be described as a kind of mosh pit, like at a rock concert where people in the back begin pushing the crowd into the stage, crushing many in the crowd. Only this occurred on steps from top and bottom!!! Many of those caught in the middle were women (soccer moms, et al) who were franticly trying to extricate themselves and in a few cases their kids out of the crush. Some climbed up on the sidewalls. Even there, people were caught in the tumult with nowhere to go. Several fell off the walls including a 20-something year old guy. The drop is further than you might think. I'm guessing 25 to 30 feet. This young guy fell and hit hard with a thump and hardly moved after that. He was obviously hurt pretty bad having landed on his head and the back of his neck. Only semi-conscious, a few started trying to get him help. The police and the masked guys at the bottom continued to push at either end of the crowd until the crowd started fighting back against the crush. The police weren't able to contain them. Fights broke out and some broke free. The police over the leftmost stairs were pushing people exiting the Capital back into the Capital doorway, presumably to force their way through, making a path for the paramedics. There was a mass of confusion and a malaise ensued there too. No one "stormed" the Capital building, if anything they were attempting to storm their way out! Inside the Capital building clashes apparently occurred according to later testimony; people couldn't get out through the police barricade at the front; fights broke out inside; crowd on the right steps was battling with cops atop the stairs and the masked men at the bottom. Many were hurt and just trying to get out of the way or helping their friends limp away. People who had been calmly eating lunch on the steps suddenly found themselves in the middle of complete pandemonium 3 minutes later. Several other ambulances arrived to treat the guy who fell, and evidently an elderly woman who had been trampled inside the capital during the ruckus.

It got out-of-hand very quickly. It wasn't an insurrection, coup, or attempted overthrow... furthest thing from the truth. Later testimony indicated there was one person the FBI witnessed climbing a tree (before the fighting broke out) who appeared to have a pistol in his back waistband (according to FBI testimony). No shots were ever fired by any of the protestors. Only shot was fired accidentally by the Capital Policeman resulting in the death of one of their own. Much of what happened could have been avoided with proper crowd control, without the need to crush back against a peaceful crowd with barricades. Things got heated quick as a result. It is a judgement call as to who was most to blame. One should never strike back against a police officer. However, it wasn't without provocation and the force used against the protestors was pretty brutal in spite of the fact the police were trying to create a path for paramedics. For that matter, the accidental discharge inside the Capital building could be construed as the cause of the tumult. It was what it was. Hard to point a finger at any one person or group.

 

"Planned assassination"? "Fallen officers"? What are you going on about? Sounds like you are full of some confusion and disinformation. Perhaps combined with healthy doses of cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias?

I would love to hear your assessment of the trial. I'd also like to hear your take on January 6 and your take as to "co-conspired to overthrow our government"?

 

His speeches in the weeks and months leading up to it, when he wound up his base with the completely fabricated story of a “stolen election” is pretty good evidence.

 

Because he wasn’t like everyone else. He was POTUS. It was his job to do everything he could to stop it. Call on resources. Repeatedly implore the crowds to leave the Capitol. Tell them immediately and unequivocally that he did not support anyone who had entered the building or was trying to do so.

They were trying to invade the building to prevent the duly elected president from being confirmed. They wanted to stop the orderly transition of power to keep trump on office. And he supported them in doing so.

 

Evidence of WHAT?

 

These families should be asking why the DOJ didn't secure the capital on the day everyone knew a protest was being held? The DOJ was tasked with the security but failed to provide adequate security measures. Why?

Jeffrey Rosen, who was acting attorney general during the attack, said the Justice Department urgently deployed 500 agents and officers from the FBI; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and U.S. Marshals to assist local authorities in restoring order at the Capitol. A big fat lie from the DOJ.

“The Department of Justice prepared appropriately in the period before Jan. 6, and I’m proud of the department’s response on Jan. 6,” Rosen said.

 

They provided the requisite evidence. Impeachment is a political process not a judicial/legal process. A jury is required to consider the evidence when deciding a verdict, the Senate is not. Senators get to vote based solely on politics...which is what they did in both Trump impeachments and (in my opinion) in the Clinton impeachment.

 

No, they planned on "giving it" to Trump after he had lost the election.
What do you think they were trying to do?

 

Because they did not INSTIGATE the riot....they did not refuse to hold Trump responsible for that instigation.

 

Evidence that he incited them.
Jan 6 never would have happened if he had conceded like every other losing candidate in living memory.

 

Your logic is without a philosophical basis. Obviously due to some bias on your part. Furthermore, it has no basis in law. Frankly it is devoid of any reasonable basis whatsoever.

First you state, "He was POTUS. It was his job...". You subsequently followed this by listing actions YOU BELIEVE were appropriate, as if you were elected POTUS and are authorized to determine the appropriate action. Even going so far as to claim his failure to abide by your assessments constitutes a criminal and impeachable act. Yet you've clearly indicated DJT was president and not yourself. Circular logic and philosophically without basis. I've seen similar pomposity regarding Biden's debacle pulling out of Afghanistan. One can disagree with Biden's decision to pull out as he did. But one has no basis in claiming because Biden didn't do as one thought prudent, he was somehow guilty of a crime and subject to impeachment. This is in fact what is meant by respecting the office of the POTUS. We don't even have a modicum of the information presented to a POTUS. Nor are we charged with assessing such information. Our assessment only comes around every 4 years.

This doesn't even address the legal aspects and facts. First, Nancy Pelosi is the one charged with ensuring there is adequate security for the Capitol, (NOT THE POTUS). The POTUS is responsible for ensuring the White House is secure. Had Nancy Pelosi determined the Capitol Police needed assistance from the National Guard she could have requested assistance from the National Guard (and the POTUS (DJT) would have complied). Once granted, these troops are placed under the command of the Sargeant at Arms under the watchful eye of the Speaker. Without such a request from the Speaker the POTUS is BY LAW NOT PERMITTED to call up the National Guard. This process is a result on the US Constitution and the Separation of Powers clauses. After all, if it were otherwise a POTUS could call up the National Guard and surround the Capitol building, effectively taking control of the 2nd leg of our government (i.e., Congress).

They are separate branches of government and the POTUS is in charge of the Executive and the Congress is in charge of Congress (Capital Building). This is no small thing, as without such a process in place it is unlikely our Republic would have survived this long. It would be the first step any despotic POTUS would take to establish tyranny. Regardless of one's party affiliation it would be the duty of every American to come to the aid of Congress should a POTUS of either party fail to uphold the proper process. There are many traditions/processes which are routinely followed even many Americans aren't aware of. When the President visits Congress it is always proceeded by an invite from the Speaker or Majority leader of the Senate for these same reasons. Likewise, members of Congress do not show up on the doorstep of the White House without an invitation. It's actually more formal than most realize due to the need to uphold the Separation of Powers within the Constitution. Likewise for members of the SCOTUS.

On 3 separate occasions during the week prior to 1/6 DJT (not Nancy) initiated a phone call with the speaker. He volunteered to provide National Guard troops to bolster security at the Capitol should she feel it was necessary. On all 3 occasions Nancy Pelosi refused his offer stating, "The security needs of the Capitol are well in-hand, and they have made adequate preparations to provide security on 1/6". This is not conjecture it is fact. Email and transcripts of the conversations were made public during the hearing, and even Nancy has confirmed the discussions took place.

As for his actions, DJT issued Tweets requesting "like-minded Americans show up at the capital to protest the certification of the electoral college results due to the voting irregularities during the 2020 election." He also requested on several occasions this protest should "remain peaceful". On 1/6 he had a speech scheduled some distance from the Capital building. The fighting broke out at the Capitol Building shortly before he was getting into his motorcade. Information is conflicting as to exactly what he was told, by whom and when. The motorcade preceded to his venue where he gave about a 2-hour speech (he and others). There were about 10,000 people at this speech. At the time approximately 3000 were at the Capitol with all hell breaking loose (see my post above). He had a couple of calls from members of Congress just before going on-stage regarding problems at the Capitol, but they fell short of indicating POTUS intervention. No contact with the Speaker or Sargeant at Arms took place prior to the speech. DJT took the stage, the planned speeches were made. Returning to the WH he was informed preliminary reports the problems at the Capitol were worse than originally reported, and still much was unconfirmed. Someone was shot and someone had died, riots broke out. Attempts to reach the Speaker were either not made or contact wasn't possible. DJT requested to be taken to the Capitol and was advised against it. No invitation had been made and security couldn't guarantee the safety of the POTUS. After returning to the WH 3 hours after the rioting broke out, he made public statements requesting peace and non-violence.

At no time during this entire episode did DJT incite violence. One could argue he should have known it was a possibility. The fact he made overtures to Nancy the week prior indicates he did indeed suspect a potential for violence. Some might consider 3 hours to make a public response excessive. But to be fair it is unclear what information he really had and how much credibility was given as to what was going on. In addition, under the circumstances he might have assumed if there was a serious emergency a call from the Speaker would have occurred. NP has assured him she was in charge and had it under control. It wasn't his place to determine the security plans she had in place at the Capitol. TY Mr. P, don't step on my toes and i'll call you if I need you so to speak. I don't consider 3 hours unreasonable considering possible delays in information and Nancy's failure to get in touch with him. When they finally did speak the incident was largely over and under control. Nancy never did request NG assistance.

To be fair, if one is so pompous and disrespectful of the office of the POTUS as to deem DJT's 3-hour delay in response unacceptable, what could such a person assess regarding the withdrawal from Afghanistan, the border crisis, etc. These took place over time periods far exceeding 3 hours and exhibited much greater incompetence, dereliction of duty and loss of life.

 

Yet we now know DJT was right. There is little doubt regarding the irregularities which took place during the 2020 election. Election fraud during the 2020 election was of a level beyond anything ever seen and resulted in a change in the outcome. That known, under the circumstances I think he did eventually come to a decision to step-down in the best interests of the country. Only now do we know Biden's election was illegitimate. And, even so, DJT was right not to put the country through a Constitutional crisis. I'm sure this wasn't an easy thing for him to accept.

At this point 2020 is behind us. Of paramount concern now is the myriad of additional likely criminal activities committed by the Biden administration and family. This should concern ALL patriotic Americans regardless of party affiliation.

 

Except … it isn’t “known” except by those he tricked into believing it.

You seem to be one of those who was duped. I’m sure you will never accept that, but it’s true.

 

Yeah.... except he said this

"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful," President Donald Trump tweeted after some of the supporters he had urged to gather in Washington, D.C., for a "Save America March" aimed at preventing President-elect Joe Biden from taking office stormed the Capitol, where lawmakers had gathered to officially tally the election results. "No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order—respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

Which blows everything you've claimed outta the water.

 

Yeah pay attention to conspiracy theories.

 

He didn’t concede. For months he lied to his base about a stolen election.
A half-hearted message during the insurrection didn’t undo the months of lies. Lies that continue to this day.

 

You've just been shown direct evidence against your claim of incitement. Let's not keep moving the goalpost here.