Far-right AfD becomes almost strongest party in eastern german states

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  1. Draco

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    No offense, but you seem like you are being purposefully obtuse to try to slip away from any real discussion and trying to make this about Muslims and "Xenophobia". There are MANY other reasons why the world is moving to the right and not just about immigration and your so called hatred of some group.

    In the US, the Democratic Party continues to parrot exactly what you are saying as they hope that using identity politics will help them gain enough support to continue the Left Wing push that has been going on for decades. Moderates and Independents like myself are sick of it, whether they are Right leaning Moderates like myself, or Left leaning Moderates like the Jordan Peterson's of the world, the game that the Dems have been playing is getting old and does nothing but cause hatred and division.

    The change is happening in every facet of life, be it relating to nationalism, borders, taxes, morals, even family life, many countries are seeing the last few decades as "gone too far" and we are seeing a whiplash reaction as MANY countries slap back to the other side.

    Obviously China, Russia, Iran, Israel and all the ME are VERY Right leaning so they need not be entered into this discussion. But almost every single country except for Australia is HEAVILY moving to the Right, and very fast.

    From what I can see, the only country that is moving to the Right "ONLY" because of immigration, like you claimed, is Denmark, who is in fact, moving to the Right. But the rest of the countries are glaringly obvious and to try to blame it all on people being xenophobic is exactly the type of identity politics that people are sick and tired of hearing from people like you.

    Austria's Freedom Party

    Germanys AfD

    Poland's National Movement

    Norway has a brand new Conservative lead government, something that is shocking for the nordic country.

    Brittains Conservative Party and Brexit

    Ukraine, lol, yeah we don't even need to TALK about these guys!

    Italy's Northern League

    Japan and their re-militarization and massive push towards a more nationalistic tone.

    Duarte (sp?) in the Philippines and Indonesia as they crack down on drug dealers and begin to re-militarize because of China.

    Turkey has taken a HARDCORE Right turn in the last few years, I personally think that coupe was staged in order for Erdogan to have a reason to do so.

    Hungary, Czech, Belarus .... all of them are taking pretty hard movements to the Right. The least Right moving nation is probably France and Germany, and Germany's Afd is now the second largest party in the nation and growing EXTREMELY fast.

    France's, the historic bastion of Left Wing thinkers and ideologies now have Macron with an approval rating mirroring that of Trump (Macron 44% Trump 42% [RCP]). France has been the "bastion" of socialist "freethink" for centuries and to see them follow suite is really saying something.

    The funny thing is that Trump isn't really even to the Right, he is a pretty obvious moderate. He is just a salesman and an opportunist and he is taking advantage of the global push to the Ri ... you don;'t like that term, ok, to more conservative values.

    So is that enough context for you? It actually really offends me that you would try to trivialize everything so much as to blame the political shift completely on Muslims and xenophobic ideals, again, that is LITERALLY why the shift is happening. You guys just don't get it.
     
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    You just described the democrats.
     
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    Being Germanys second strongest party is more about SPD (social democrats) weakness than AFD strength. The SPD is in chaos and is constantly dropping down in the polls, their leadership is clueless and they don't have competent persons who can manage a turnaround.
     
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    In eastern Germany AfD already is strongest Party.
     
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    No, just Saxony.
     
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    Nö. In Thüringen und Sachsen- Anhalt auch
     
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    Still not complete East Germany.
     
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    80% of it. In Mecklenburg Vorpommern and Brandenburg Nr. 2 and soon surpassing CDU
     
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    Afaik 26 > 25 in English as well ... ;)
     
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    They have a feeling of togetherness and a healthy community which was destroyed in the Western world. It's an Eastern-Western cultural gap which goes right through Germany ...

    In Cologne a few thousand North African and Afghan migrants organize on Twitter to rape infidel women ... they can do it and the women themselves and their men are proud that they did not do anything against it, it would have been racist. If that happened in Zwickau, those rapists would have been lynched.
     
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    Leftist idiots who set the course for Germany, especially in the mainstream media.
     
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    This all sounds sadly and alarmingly familiar.
     
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    A party that was founded just 4 years ago and now reaches 25% should tell you how gigantic the shift is
     
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    It would be if it were correct or true, but unfortunately a lot of people live in some kind of alternative reality and seem to be unable to look at simple facts. Where did the roughly 1,100 reports to the Cologne police come from? Probably from those women who "didn't do anything and were proud of it." And where did any of the victims ever say that she was proud of not doing anything? I live in Germany and have never heard or read anything like that. There are reports out there for everyone to read and they clearly state the complete opposite, but I guess creating one's own personal reality is just too tempting. Too many fools and idiots out there who don't know what they're talking about.
     
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    That's what I would expect. What he was saying sounds sadly and alarming familiar because he's carrying on about "leftists" and big, bad Muslims the same way I've heard Americans doing. I guess some Germans are pining for a Trump of their own about now. Sad!
     
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    What he said was bullshit. There was not a sigle rape but thousands of sexual harassments.

    Doesnt change the fact that we have a massive raise in crime.

    And no, we dont want a Trump. Trump is an actor. We want a far right leader who gets **** done.
     
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    I thoroughly enjoyed the time that I lived, worked & studied in Germany in the mid 1970s but I'm sure that much has changed since then.
    Other than repressive anti-free speech laws and allowing too many immigrants from 3rd world countries, what other policies are made by "Leftist idiots" do you consider detrimental to Germany?
     
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    Eastern German States are still 100% german.

    As for leftist idiots, i just say gender bullshit and talking about sex with 2 year old kids
     
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    Dare I ask?
     
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    They want teach 2 year old kids about gays and other perversions
     
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    Already a world apart from what you said earlier, and I'll bet even this is overstating the reality. You sure sound worked up. Put down the Kook Aid.
     
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    That's right, dig your head in the sand and try to act like it doesn't matter because to you they are "only the second strongest party" and that it is "more about the SPD weakness" while the AfD continues to grow at a shocking pace.

    Identity Politics ARE LOSING

    If you continue to try to use this tactic, the Left will continue to lose the entire globe over, like they are losing now. The fact that the Left refuses to see this is hilarious to me as a slightly leaning Right person.

    Trump is a moderate, not a Right leaning moderate, just a moderate. I am scared however, that since those of you on the Left refuse to get off this Identity Politics kick and continue to just scream WHITE CHRISTIANS!!! AND XEONOPHOBIC!!!! We are going to end up with the far Right REALLY getting into power.

    I still simply cannot believe the bubble that those of you on the Left are living in that you think this tactic is actually working.

    You ONLY have the big cities, other than that, the rest of the world thinks you are a joke. Yet you continue to use press reports and the media which is blatantly Left partisan to brew up your confidence and think that everyone agrees with you.

    THEY DONT

    I just put a massive list out about how quickly the Right is rising and it is going faster and faster. Again, as a slightly Right leaning moderate for now I think it is funny, but if it continues and we get someone REALLY far Right, we are all going to see problems.

    Jesus....

    Then you sit there and respond to Sabo "Nuh uh, only in Saxony!" Have you seen the growth of the AfD party? And that is in Germany for Christs sake, one of the most typical Left leaning countries in the EU.

    Open your eyes Lefties, your ideologies are getitng slaughtered the world over and you are just putting your fingers in your ears and yelling as loud as you can to try to ignore it.

    Do yourself a favor and look up a few videos of Camille Paglia, she will give you a good idea of why the Democratic Party is going to get their butts kicked aregularly until they change.
     
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    Nope actually not. They want talk about sex, gays, perversion and that down to 2 year old kids

    http://www.familien-schutz.de/2015/...-aufklaerungsmaterialien-von-pro-familia-nrw/

    The brochure has "games" where kids have to judge other childrens ass. Kids have to pull down their pants and then tell whose ass belongs to which kid.

    But thank to you i googled it and it turned out to be far worse than i imagines.
     
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    Who thinks up stuff like this?

    Just when I thought "Facebook" was stupid, along comes "Assbook"
     
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    Its from "Pro Famila"...an organisation that helps to produce material for Kindergartens in Germany.

    Its leftist lberialism at its worst. Absolute degenerated.
     

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