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  1. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    “Wind Turbine Syndrome”

    You want “clean energy sources” you gonna have to pay for it – with your health. So, yeah, this comes from another Breitbart site but it has links to http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/warning-over-wind-turbine-syndrome-260636.html which seems to be a bit more than authentic. So, it not only harms humans, what do they do to animals beside killing birds?

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    And then, there's this:

    Report: DC’s green-approved buildings using more energy

    11:47 PM

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/02/r...ed-buildings-using-more-energy/#ixzz2v0IIFYal

    Doesn't seem to be making all that sense, does it. The Church of Globull Warming seems to be preaching to increasingly empty pews.
     
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    longknife New Member

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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Wind Turbine Syndrome" is an ambulance chaser's dream. You know, a fine fictional syndrome that includes all kinds of vague symptoms, which can't be reproduced in any controlled study.

    Of course, it doesn't exist in China, the nation chock full o' wind turbines mixed in with a dense population. Nor does it occur with anyone getting paid to have a wind turbine on their land. It would be more accurate to call it "Jealous Neighbor Syndrome", or perhaps "Media Hysteria Syndrome". People don't start feeling sick until the media tells them how wind turbines will make them sick.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23477573
     
  4. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Granny makes possum turn off his smartphone a half-hour before bedtime...
    :grandma:
    Studies: Bedtime Smartphone Use May Lead to Poor Sleep
    November 10, 2016 - Two unrelated studies determined recently that long exposures to light coming from the screens of portable devices affect sleep quality in children and adults.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe the wind turbines in China are not rotating ?? The Chinese have double the capacity of the US (which isn't exactly chock full o' wind turbines) but generate less power than the US. Approximately 15% of Chinese wind turbines sit idle 24/7/365.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-energy-spotted-in-china-s-idled-wind-farms

    And of course a lot of things (including basic civil rights and the ability to sue the gov) don't exist in China.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I live off grid and considered wind power to supplement my solar. The local of grid power outfit (Backwoods Solar) set me up with some visits to people's homes who had turbines. They all said it was good backup for solar because often when there are stormy cloudy times the wind blows but they all also said the damn things are noisy as hell and really get on your nerves . A big part of my reason for living so remote is I like my peace and quiet so I opted out. This experience leads me to agree with the plausibility of the OP
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe it. Living with constant subsonic frequency sound going on in the background, that's got to lead to some intangible psychological effects and elevated stress levels. I believe this could be an issue of noise pollution, a subject whose implications are not entirely fully understood by most people. Just because you do not really consciously perceive the noise does not mean it doesn't have subconscious psychological and physiological effect.

    A lot of times the ones pushing these pro-green policies don't care about the actual effects these policies have on people.
     
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  8. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or on birds as they slice and dice
     
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    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    Ya, like there are no negative effects from burning fossil fuels.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When one needs to resort to conspiracy theory and arbitrary, unconfirmed data to support a position it is already lost.
     
  11. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I feel the same way about most of the man made climate change crap too.
     
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    We're just lucky there have never been any adverse side effects from fossil fuels or nuclear power.
    If ever there was an oil spill, or maybe an oil platform blew ... or maybe a nuclear meltdown ...

    Who am I kidding. Those things would never happen.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure everyone else will miss it, but I caught what you did thar!
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The primary difference being the verified Data used to confirm Climate change and the observed climate variances that coincide so well with the industrial age world wide.
     
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    Here are the FACTS!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_syndrome

    In essence some people are ANNOYED by the noise from older, less efficient wind turbines but annoyance is NOT a disease!
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so if some people are annoyed by traffic sounds, should we get rid of cars

    this is one of the craziest attacks on clean energy I have heard
     
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  17. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can I please have a, or multiple links to this "Verified Data"'regarding the exact impact humans have had on climate change Plz?

    I keep asking those posting that there is this evidence, to do so, but I never get the links.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  18. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, that is sad, same as it's sad that some animals run in front of cars.... what can be done about it though?
     
  19. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for making my point that there's no such thing as green energy. All forms have associated environmental degradation.
     
  20. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wow, seriously, green energy doesn't mean people still wont die from sticking a fork in a wall socket, you know that right?
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Windmills are not as green as you might think. Funny how the leftist media will cover oil soaked birds as a tragedy in rare and infrequent spills and completely ignore the 24-7 slaughter of birds from windmill farms world wide.

    "Because wind farms tend to be built on uplands, where there are good thermals, they kill a disproportionate number of raptors. In Australia, the Tasmanian wedge-tailed eagle is threatened with global extinction by wind farms. In north America, wind farms are killing tens of thousands of raptors including golden eagles and America’s national bird, the bald eagle. In Spain, the Egyptian vulture is threatened, as too is the Griffon vulture — 400 of which were killed in one year at Navarra alone. Norwegian wind farms kill over ten white-tailed eagles per year and the population of Smøla has been severely impacted by turbines built against the opposition of ornithologists."
    "Loss of habitat is the single biggest cause of species extinction. Wind farms not only reduce habitat size but create ‘population sinks’ — zones which attract animals and then kill them. My colleague Mark Duchamp suggests birds are lured in because they see the turbines as perching sites and also because wind towers (because of the grass variations underneath) seem to attract more prey. The turbines also attract bats, whose wholesale destruction poses an ever more serious conservation concern.

    Bats are what is known as K-selected species: they reproduce very slowly, live a long time and are easy to wipe out. Having evolved with few predators — flying at night helps — bats did very well with this strategy until the modern world. This is why they are so heavily protected by so many conventions and regulations: the biggest threats to their survival are made by us.

    And the worst threat of all right now is wind turbines. A recent study in Germany by the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research showed that bats killed by German turbines may have come from places 1,000 or more miles away. This would suggest that German turbines — which an earlier study claims kill more than 200,000 bats a year — may be depressing populations across the entire northeastern portion of Europe. Some studies in the US have put the death toll as high as 70 bats per installed megawatt per year: with 40,000 MW of turbines currently installed in the US and Canada. This would give an annual death toll of up to three -million."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/01/wind-farms-vs-wildlife/
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Though you could certainly type "climate change" into google to evaluate the millions of data points, I am aware you will not do so and would dismiss anything I provide so I'll pass. You will now say I cannot provide the data requested and so you win. This is fine and expected as your acceptance and approval are not required for reality to exist.
     
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    your confusing green with not being dangerous to Animals, a green car will still kill a animal that runs in front of it just as dead as a gas car....
     
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  24. sawyer

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    You are ignoring the numbers and types of birds killed daily by windmills worldwide. If your only stipulation for calling and energy source "green" is C02 output and you base everything on the AGW hypothesis you have put some major blinders on. Green is about all forms of environmental degradation to people capable of seeing the big picture, the forest through the trees if you will. Hydro power for instance produces virtually no C02 but dams tend to destroy salmon runs and change entire ecosystems upstream so in the real world they are not green either. Like I said, no such thing as green energy, they all have an environmental price.
     
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  25. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You made claims.

    I asked for proof.

    Nothing I've ever read, provided any, relating to your assertions, & my personal wish, to be proven wrong.


    The quest continues.
     

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