Fauci: new cases could reach 100,000 per day

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  1. Arkanis

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    Top disease researcher Dr Anthony Fauci has told the US Senate that he "would not be surprised" if new virus cases in the country reach 100,000 per day.

    "Clearly we are not in control right now," he testified, warning that not enough Americans are wearing masks or social distancing.

    During the hearing, he said about half of all new cases come from four states.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53237824

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    According to Fauci, the country is going in the wrong direction.

    Who do you think it's because of?

    At this point, we can say that this pandemic is out of control.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    100,000/day in Canada?
     
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    See, and here's the big problem with Fauci: Instead of, I don't know staying within the realm of our present situation he goes out of his way to make a proclamation that doesn't fit said situation.

    For us to average +100,000/day, we would have to DOUBLE the case rate(we had +46,042). Fauci, this is the same reason people aren't listening. Instead of being real and honest with us, you think some "projection" will scare people into compliance.

    I think he should step down from the top position, and give it to someone who understands his role and how to properly utilize it.
     
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    New covid cases have roughly doubled since the lows in late May. We have clearly entered the exponential phase again, at least in states like Florida, Texas, Arizona and California. Why would anyone expect that daily new cases stop doubling every few weeks, if human behavior is not altered? The virus is like a nano machine, exploiting human foolish behavior for its own reproduction. It was successful doing that in the last weeks. There is ZERO reason to believe that it will stop, unless foolish behavior is stopped. Therefore, Fauci is correct, and I think his prediction is conservative. People who stopped listening to Fauci are exactly the reason why the case numbers are exploding again.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fauchi has contradicted himself over and over. Most people are ignoring his comments and moving on with their lives. Rand Paul has some interesting comments.

     
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    Just curious: What is you reasoning as to why daily new cases are NOT going to be at 100,000 in a few weeks? Isn't community spread rampant right now in several states? The more active cases, the more transmissions, the more active cases, i.e. feedback loop -- unless people start changing behavior. It's quite common sense, actually.
     
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    I am smart enough to understand the more people you test, the greater the number of cases will be reported.
    I have always have been a herd guy.
    Three weeks ago my thirteen year old granddaughter in another state was contacted that one of her friends had tested positive for the Chinese virus. My son immediately had the whole family tested and she was the only one that came up positive. It has now been over two weeks and she has yet to exhibit any signs she has contracted the virus. Although everyone is still living in the same house and have self quarantined in their home, the others have continued to test negative.
     
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    Fauci is like your barber responding to your question "should I get my hair cut?"

    What do you expect him to say?

    The infection has been far more widespread from the beginning that they would ever acknowledge. These high numbers now are the result of vastly increased testing. The virus is everywhere, and even from the propaganda rag NYT front page, the deaths have been declining for weeks on end.

    Fear mongering is what the media has been doing since the start, terrorizing the people.

    Some understand that, some never will.
     
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    And? How is that personal anecdote related to my post? Your story by no means refutes the fact that new infections are currently rising, especially in hotspots. it also doesn't refute the fact that more testing cannot account for the increased case numbers. What can account for it is foolish behavior by people from a false sense of security.
     
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    Not really.

    We're at the beginning of the second wave. Coronavirus Worldometer predicts 600 deaths/day from mid-July, so, 200,000 in total by October 1st.

    In March, I opened a thread on this forum where I predicted 100,000 deaths by July 2020, and the Trumpsters laughed at me.

    We're now at 130,000 dead.
     
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    My personal anecdote followed my clear answer to your question and explains why I feel this way. I will put it in bold to make it easy for you to understand.

     
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    Maybe THAT is his role.
     
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    Then clearly, it's not working. People cannot be "scared" into obedience, I thought we learned this already in America. If you want people to listen to you, follow you then you articulate why they should and why it's in their best interests.

    So when the guy says "I think we'll see +100,000" when we have never seen +100,000 and when Quantum admits to calling it a projection that again, we've yet to see. It blows your OWN credibility out of the water. People aren't looking for a fortune teller, they're looking for someone with a real, firm grip on the reality of the situation.

    That's clearly not Dr. Fauci.
     
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    Okay - so lets just focus on yesterday. 40,000 new cases in the country. You good with that?
     
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    It's not about being "good" with it(I'd prefer no cases, obviously). It's about being accurate. If he said "40,000 is our new norm", the trend suggests that and therefore it's accurate. All we need and want, and have to have from this dude is some consistent accuracy on the situation we're dealing with.
     
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    So if he's asked for projections, he needs to say nothing?
     
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    Preferably, either the projections should back a trend, or have something backing the projections. Saying "Oh, it's possible there would be 100,000" when we have NEVER seen that means the projections neither back a trend, nor do they have anything backing them.

    Again, if we had some honesty(and stopped defending dishonesty) our situation wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
     
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    I agree - honesty would have saved lives and would have properly slowed the virus...as we see in other countries. But two weeks ago, we had Trump and Pence declaring a celebration over their handling of the virus. Declaring victory. And yesterday, we had 40,000 new cases.

    Honesty would have involved telling the truth about the virus - from the beginning. Honesty would have seen leaders telling people that masks can help to slow the spread. Honesty would have been making re opening decisions based upon science, not financial concern.
     
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    Financial concern was/is a legitimate reason, it's going to take us time to get back to where we were(hint: Even with a Biden presidency), all the moreso if we shut down over every ebb and flow of the coronavirus, in lieu of some scientific studies that have said as many as 26 million Americans may have the coronavirus.

    If that study were accurate, that meant that the spread has already spreaded, and we're now "confirming" cases, we're not really confirming the spread as it happened in real time. Which is where the government policies stem from, trying to stop a spread that may have already taken place.

    Masks probably do help to a degree, but scientifically aren't the end-all, be-all. I do think it's more decent to wear a mask than not.
    Particularly when going to events with more than 2 people. If you're in your own car, you don't need to wear a mask LOL.
     
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    My point is it's possible that it's not working by design. Further, people are scared into submission all the time. It's called psychological warfare.

    He doesn't have to be credible, as a whole. He just has to seem like he knows what he's talking about.

    Given the choice, who do you think should replace Fauci?

    Who do you think would do the job as you feel it should be done?
     
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    Any other doctor who can clearly articulate. "This is what we know, this is what we don't know. Based on what we do know at the time, we believe this to be the best course of action. When facts change, we will update you in real time and explain those changes."

    That however, would require someone a bit more modest than the present Dr. Fauci.
     
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    Quote; “I have always have been a herd guy”

    Question; In reference to Sweden’s herd immunity strategy, what’s your most accurate projection?
     
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    We KNOW that viruses grow exponentially when uncontrolled. We KNOW that community spread is currently uncontrolled. Based on this knowledge, the best assumption for the future is that the number of cases will exponentially increase, not decline. That is, unless people stop irresponsible behavior.

    The ones who are dishonest with the people are the likes of Trump, who pretended that the virus would just go away with warm weather, or that 15 cases would soon go to zero. The medical expert have been right with their projections all along.
     
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    There was a scientific opinion that came out that as many as 26 million Americans may have contracted the coronavirus, we also know that the virus in actuality most likely originated in November of 2019. So, how many of these infections contribute a current spread, and how many was the virus activating after previously lying dormant?

    Trump was being foolishly optimistic, also based on nothing. If you notice, he hasn't made those kind of comments since it's not bore in fact.

    All I ask from everyone is the humility to say "we don't know" and wait until we do.
     
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    So Fauci is being accused of being alarmist?

    Guess what?

    WE SHOULD BE ALARMED.

    LOOK at how fast the virus is spreading and remember what it did to the Northeast (and could do again)
     
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