FBI arresting people for internet posts

so you're fighting for your right to kill and threaten because if you don't the US is going to turn into Nazi Germany

Don't you think by allowing the threats of killing and bombing you're actually closer to the bloodshed of what Nazi Germany represents than if the FBI protects innocent people against those who post bomb and killing threats

 

No, people have no right to commit murder. I'm just saying, you're not going to be able to stop anyone from committing murder by making silly threats on Twitter illegal.

 

There are times when killing however distasteful is inevitable.

There are some very evil F@#KS out there who would kill you, me, women and children and anyone else they had a chance to.

Not everyone is worth saving.

AA

 

You people got to be kidding me as when the home addresses of federal employees is posted with the suggestion that they and their families should be killed or harm that is not free speech and such people should be in jail.

 

Jihad does NOT mean holy WAR.... Jihad and bullets are not in the same sentence... Please relearn what 'JIHAD' means...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.or...misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

"The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving."

You can choose to believe the American version or you can choose to believe the Arabic version. As for me, I'm going to stick with Arabic speaking people when it comes to Arabic word definitions.

 

It would often be fairly easy to do something horrible. When I drive down the street I could just push the gas a little harder and mow down that annoying bicyclist who drives in the middle of the lane at 10 mph with that irritating "one less car" flag. But I don't because it's not worth the pain and suffering that would cause to both sides even if he is an obnoxious idiot. Actions have consequences - and so do words. Just because people say something on the internet doesn't mean it's inconsequential. ISIS's ability to inspire American muslims to kill Americans through the internet is a good example of that.

I believe in free speech, but asking somebody to kill other people isn't protected under that.

 

http://www.justislam.co.uk/product.php?products_id=2

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but that does not mean that there are no violent people in every ethnicity.

 

As a person who has spent far too much time in the Middle East and who can speak Arabic, Farsi, Pashto, Urdu and Dari to an extent...I can say with confidence the word Jihad is NOT used in everyday conversation to mean struggle or conflict.

AA

 

if their speech is criminalized then how do we know who these people will be?

though the logic behind criminalizing speech is to prevent bad thoughts or the thought process behind violence to be formed, whether from oneself or being under the influence of someone else.

so what the strategy is when the government limits freedom, is to prevent people from using their freedom to do bad.

what that means is that the resources aren't there to monitor everyone at the moment, so limiting freedom is best until everyone's speech can be monitored responsibly, and they can be tracked by government agents if their thoughts are bad.

with the internet its easy for someones thoughts and logic to become radicalized in a time when many people are oppressed by the rich.

 

some stupid criminals will always like to talk.... making it illegal to say your gonna kill people will no more stop them then saying it's illegal to kill people

but making it illegal does give police away to lock them up when caught doing either

we have never had the freedom to yell fire in the theater or bomb on a plane or threaten a family or person life on line.. nor should we imo

one can say anything radical they want.... just do not threaten to kill people, once they cross that line, they are considered a danger to society

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then you said it, not me.. you would be the criminal

if you can't prove someone posted it, the case is dropped, like this death threat against a Palin critic

http://aksyrin.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/death-threat-for-a-palin-critic/

they had the womens aol account, but the police suspended the case?

"After suspending the case, the police department sent McLeod an email noting that the emails the suspect had exchanged with the Anchorage Daily News “would lead a person to believe that the poster” was this Anchorage woman, but that “just because we think we know who owns the IP we have not verified who was actually sitting at the computer at that IP address and posted this threatening communication.” The police also informed McLeod that the attorney general’s office had concluded that there “was nothing [Anchorage Police Department] could do at this point unless [the Anchorage woman], or whoever sent the email, took some act of furtherance toward Ms. McLeod.”

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Look, there's an endless list of excuses that could be used to justify limiting freedom of speech and control of information.

 

I am not saying there is a constitutional issue there, I reject the U.S. constitution anyways.

 

In a way, I already live in a self governing community, but it still is under control of the state.

 

Tweeting out police positions during a protest
Elliot Madison, age 41, was arrested after making posts on Twitter about police's whereabouts during a protest that happened in Pittsburgh in 2009. According to a Reuters report at the time, "The criminal complaint against Madison said he broke the law by using Twitter to direct unlawful protesters and other people involved in criminal acts to avoid arrest and to inform them of police movements and actions." He was later released on bail.

Many people exercise poor judgment on Facebook, a site where Freedom of Speech may no longer apply. Recently, young Facebook users who have posted controversial status messages have ended up in jail. Sometimes the messages they typed were actually offensive. Other times they were jokes gone terribly wrong. One teen was even arrested for posting violent rap lyrics. Most of the time, the Facebook offenders are impulsive. They type before they think, and lately they've had to pay serious consequences.

Justin Carter is a 19-year-old who is currently in jail for leaving a "sarcastic" comment on Facebook about "shooting up a kindergarten."

The reason: he was allegedly insulted by a fellow League of Legends gamer who questioned his mental state and retorted:

"I think Ima shoot up a kindergarten / And watch the blood of the innocent rain down/ And eat the beating heart of one of them."

The comment worried a Canadian woman who tipped authorities. Carter's house was searched, his computer was taken, and he was arrested (February 14, 2013). He was held in jail for 5 months before he was allowed to be released on bail. As part of the bond conditions, he was kept under house arrest for over 2 years while awaiting a trial, even though he and his family maintain that the Facebook messages were meant to be sarcastic.

This is an update posted by Justin's mom:

This is the latest update I was able to find on him, so it appears he was still being held under the conditions of bail as of March 17, 2016:
http://kxan.com/2016/03/17/new-braunfels-teen-in-court-for-threatening-to-shoot-up-a-kindergarten/


Is A Threat Posted On Facebook Really A Threat?

 

Good for you. You must be one of those cutting edge guys.

 

so which version of the definition would be correct to your understanding? How would the word Jihad be spelled in arabic and how is that word used in literary books?

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does the Quran even have the word 'jihad' in it?

 

Jihad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Origins

Main article: List of battles of Muhammad

In Modern Standard Arabic, the term jihad is used for a struggle for causes, both religious and secular. The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic defines the term as "fight, battle; jihad, holy war (against the infidels, as a religious duty)".[24] Nonetheless, it is usually used in the religious sense and its beginnings are traced back to the Qur'an and words and actions of Muhammad.[25][26][page needed] In the Qur'an and in later Muslim usage, jihad is commonly followed by the expression fi sabil illah, "in the path of God."[27] Muhammad Abdel-Haleem states that it indicates "the way of truth and justice, including all the teachings it gives on the justifications and the conditions for the conduct of war and peace."[28] It is sometimes used without religious connotation, with a meaning similar to the English word "crusade" (as in "a crusade against drugs").[29]

Quranic use and Arabic forms

According to Ahmed al-Dawoody, seventeen derivatives of jihād occur altogether forty-one times in eleven Meccan texts and thirty Medinan ones, with the following five meanings: striving because of religious belief (21), war (12), non-Muslim parents exerting pressure, that is, jihād, to make their children abandon Islam (2), solemn oaths (5), and physical strength (1).[2]

Hadith

Main article: Jihad in Hadith

The context of the Quran is elucidated by Hadith (the teachings, deeds and sayings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Of the 199 references to jihad in perhaps the most standard collection of hadith—Bukhari—all assume that jihad means warfare.[30]

Among reported saying of the Islamic prophet Muhammad involving jihad are


The best Jihad is the word of Justice in front of the oppressive sultan.

— cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan[31][32][33]

and


The Messenger of Allah was asked about the best jihad. He said: "The best jihad is the one in which your horse is slain and your blood is spilled."

— cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan[34]

Ibn Nuhaas also cited a hadith[which?] from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, where Muhammad states that the highest kind of jihad is "The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood" (Ahmed 4/144).[35]

According to another hadith,[36] supporting one’s parents is also an example of jihad.[37][38] It has also been reported that Muhammad considered well-performing hajj to be the best jihad for Muslim women.[39][40]

 

If a person went up to another person and stated...."I'm going to chop off your head", it would be cause for the police to be called and an investigation. People who do the same on the internet are dealt with equally.

 

To me, these forms of Jihad would be known as bravery in the light of righteousness, not giving in to the attackers, and honoring your parents.

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how is that deliberately going out to start a holy war?

 

It is so strange how so many people will follow another person's ideas of what is and what isn't, giving preference to human teachings, rather than stick with what had already been spoken by the prophet himself. These so called faithful Muslims, follow individual person's who may be deviating away from the True Quranic Verses.

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if you can show me any verse in Arabic script in the Quran of how god desires them to go out and actively seek war with non believers, please cite them for me. And please be sure that the English translation to the Arabic verse is a correct translation.

 

Excuse me? Holy war? What in the world are you talking about? I'm am talking about US law.

 

in fact, many Quran scholars, just like we have Biblical scholars, say the exact opposite of what the extreme clerics say. The scholars of Islam and the Quran state that the Quran never advocates the killing or rapes of innocent people, even non-believers but rather says not to participate in such things.

 

If he had just posted "Go kill those foreign brown people. Stab them where they live. Blow up their children and grandchildren, and turn their lands into glass", he'd be getting cheers. It's all about where you direct your sociopathic rage.

 

i believe the Quran says to - 'not associate with non-believers' - NOT - 'kill the non-believers.'