FBI fires Peter Strzok over anti-Trump texts

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Democrats are the party of corrupt prosecutors false warrants and illegal spying.

    The DISA warrant application was a bunch of garbage. The corrupt Obama Administration used the unvetted, DNC-funded dossier, funded by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC.

    The Steele dossier was not only unverified but amounted to opposition research funded by Democrats and therefore could not legitimately form the basis for a warrant for wiretapping; the funding and origin of the dossier was not explained in the application; and a Yahoo fake-news article was even included in the application as a means of "corroborating" the dossier.
     
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    oh yeah republicans are angels.
     
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    WUT?!??
     
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    Proof? Evidence? Reasoning?
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correct. That meeting was set up by Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson met with her before the meeting and after the meeting. The State Department was also involved.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ity-confirms-special-entry-for-russian-lawyer
     
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    Keep laughing. A binder requires someone to physically break into Patreaus's house for the material to be compromised. An unsecure internet connected server requires only some skilled hackers and they've got it all. I'm certain that's the reason the server was wiped, to eliminate the evidence of hacking.
     
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    Any moron can rob a house. I fail to see how that makes it better lol
     
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    We are talking about the chances of it happening. The changes of some burglar choosing Patraeus's house to burglarize at the right moment the 3 ring binder was there compared to Hillary's unsecure internet connected email server being hacked when it's online 24/7. You're joking....right?
     
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    Wrong? Moi?

    Keep in mind that this inquiry initiated by Rosenstein, and we've both read his memo, is based on 'allegations', with no evidence of any wrongdoing. The question we should ask now is, "Who made these allegations"?
     
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    Trump's list of those he plans to revoke security clearances and those he has fired is essentially a list of those who need clearances in order to review their own material to prepare for testimony in any inquiry regarding Russia and/or Trump.

    The firings and security revocations ARE an obstruction of justice.

    Disregarding all other issues, they represent a sound justification for impeachment.

    There was NO justification for revoking the security clearance of Brennan, for example.
     
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    Have you guys ever made the acquaintance of Miss Thepoint? Of course you have!

    It's whether you SHARE the information, not whether someone can steal it.

    Patreaus SHARED the information with his biographer, who he was banging. She had no clearance for classified information.

    Hillary also shared the information. With others who also had clearance to receive classified information.

    Do you see the Grand Canyon gulf between the 2 examples? I doubt it.
     
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    The statute is specific, the material can't be removed from it's "proper place of custody". In Hillary's basement on an unsecure internet connected server is hardly a "proper place of custody". If you have information it was approved by the DOD post it please.


    Paula Broadwell Stripped of Secret Clearance Amid Petraeus Scandal

    You really need to do even a little research before placing your foot in your mouth.
     
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    Better than that, it's what Christopher Steele testified to in a London Courtroom under oath. It's Steele's reality.
     
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    The outer layer of the deep state is slowly getting peeled back and it's not pretty.
     
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    it's removing the bandage from a long festering wound.
     
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    We need a deep state ectomy (removal).
     
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    Of course.

    After months of stonewalling, the FBI finally dumped 412 pages of documents related to the Carter Page FISA surveillance warrants — the applications, the certifications, and the warrants themselves. Now that we can see it all in black and white — mostly black, as they are heavily redacted — it is crystal clear that the Steele dossier, an unverified Clinton-campaign product, was the driving force behind the Trump–Russia investigation.

    Based on the dossier, the FBI told the FISA court it believed that Carter Page, who had been identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser, was coordinating with the Russian government in an espionage conspiracy to influence the 2016 election.

    This sensational allegation came from Christopher Steele, the former British spy. The FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steele’s work. Nor did the FBI and Justice Department inform the court that Steele’s allegations had never been verified. To the contrary, each FISA application — the original one in October 2016, and the three renewals at 90-day intervals — is labeled “VERIFIED APPLICATION” (bold caps in original). And each one makes this breathtaking representation:

    The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).​

    In reality, the applications were never verified for accuracy.

    They lied to the Court and illegally spied on the Trump Campaign, Transition and Administration.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/

    Democrats are the Party that supports crooked lying prosecutors and illegal spying. Nobody is making you do this.
     
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    Rosenstien did NOT start the Russian inquiry.

    If you think the russian investigations as started with “no evidence” your living in a different world.

    Allegations ? Every intelligence agency charged with investigaiting this has said definitively that the Russians meddled in the election ?
     
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    With respect, I think it's your turn to be wrong.

    Which Russian investigation are you referring to and, as well, what evidence is there of any wrongdoing within the Trump campaign?

    Russians always meddle in elections, especially with disinformation. That's their specialty and they've been especially successful in the last couple of decades. All we have to do is note how Americans are more frequently turning on each other, to the point of violence.

    As we've seen, Rosenstein authorized Mueller only to investigate the Trump campaign and then, as an afterthought perhaps, added that he may as well investigate Manafort's tax records also. This is not right, and actually a job for the IRS, not a Special Counsel.
     
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    We may disagree, but I respect the a civil debate. Thanks

    The appointment of the special counsel was solely to keep the President from interfering with the original investigation. He fired Comey for that very reason. Thats why the special counsel was appointed. The investigation didn’t require proven wrongdoing by the Trump campaign. It only required the actions of the Russians in the election. The investigation is, and always has been, about the Russians meddling in our election, and finding out their motive for helping Trump win. Nothing more nothing less. Trumps interference in that process is what caused the special counsel to be appointed.

    I could not agree more. I do beleive that this was a big part why they interfered

    Again, all due respect, but Rosenstiens appointment says they are to investigate russian interference in the election. It specifically says they can investigate the Trump campaign for one very specific reason: without that, because Trump is president, everyone who worked on his campaign could envoke “executive privlidge” and not testify.
     
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    Backatcha.
    Rosenstein recommended that Comey be fired before Trump fired him. And many , including the WSJ, had editorialized that the first thing Trump should do after the inauguration was fire James Comey. Which 'original investigation' are you referring to and based on what? The Russian/Steele/DNC/Clinton/FusionGPS/Bruce Ohr dossier?
    Then why did he only mention the Trump Campaign and nothing about the Clinton Campaign? Wouldn't every political party be subject to Russian meddling? These Special Counsels shouldn't be appointed on a whim. There has to be some actual evidence of a crime or criminal activity. Just 'allegations' are not sufficient. Anyone can make them.
    Please show any evidence that the Russians helped Trump win. Hillary blamed James Comey, among hundreds of others.
    Investigating only one campaign, and without any evidence of wrongdoing, is just not serious. It has to be all inclusive in order to investigate the depth of any interference. And while all this Strzok/Steel/Ohr thing is going on Mueller is focused on Manafort's tax statements. It just doesn't make any sense.
     
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    The truth is slowly coming out and some high level people will end up wearing an orange jumpsuit.
     
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