FBI's Steele story falls apart: False intel and media contacts were flagged before FISA

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  1. TomFitz

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    If you bend over much further to make excuses for these people’s conduct, and instead focus your ire right where Trump wants you to, you’re liable to break in half.

    The fact that you can’t keep your facts straight, and you believe the nonsense in the trash blogs only makes it more likely.
     
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    I did read the report, and if you actually read it you would know that the incident had no baring on the administration or of course, any proof of criminal activity. It was a rumor of improperty, that wasn't in fact improper in any sense at all. It was these, and many more rumors like it that spurred the beliefs that opened up a 35 million dollar boondoggle waste of an investigation.

    Here are the only words you need to know:

    "No American was charged in relation to this, or any other crime" Period, end of story. And those who spurred those on in the upper echelons of the FBI? All of them, were summarily dismissed. And the bureau is healthier for it.

    Our secret spy organizations shouldn't be relying on newsletter contacts.
     
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    You conveniently forgot to mention Obama's Treasury dept. and Fed officials "red flagged" Butina and the banker she worked with the year prior to the campaign. Butina was an unregistered lobbyist and the Obama admin. knew it.
     
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    :roflol: Ironic 'cause you're a "you haven't read Mueller's report" pseudo connoisseur. Let's look at Mueller's report ...
     
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    Why is it odd that Vicky Nolan’s passed the evidence of the “black ledger” to the FBI?

    Evidence that Manafort was getting cash kickbacks from Moscow’s man in Kiev would certainly be of interest to America’s intelligence community when the man who received those payments was running a US Presidential election campaign.....
     
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    Ah yes, the Trumpster blame-the-cop-for-not-stopping-the-robbery excuse!
     
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    Nuland << spelled correctly ... got the "black ledger" from Hillary campaign aide Ms. Chalupa who went to Ukraine to do oppo research. Yanukovych has been demonized, and had 2 separate elections meddled in, by the Obama regime. Yanukovych refused to join NATO or sever economic, mainly energy ties to Russia. I noticed you avoided the pertinent questions. Which indictments did the Steele dossier produce? Here's another. What evidence did yrs of spying on Carter Page produce?
     
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    Evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is a standard applied in a court of law, not in a counter intelligence operation.

    Manafort had worked for the Russians on and off for over a decade before Trump installed him as his campaign manager, almost certainly at the instruction of Manafort’s former business partner, Roger Stone.

    Much of official Washington was well aware that Manafort had been Moscow’s man promoting their man in Kiev, Victor Yanokovich.

    I knew it.

    Which is why my antenna went up the day Trump named Manafort to be his campaign manager.

    But the Trumpster denial machine was well established, even at that early date. AFter all, even then, Trump was blasting out a blizzard of lies, all of which had to be rationalized, excused or ignored by right wing media, and believed by his faithful fellow useful pawns.
     
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    The Steele documents were not a criminal investigation, so your question is both pointless and irrelevant, and a very weak attempt to pretend that none of these people did what they did.

    I know how to spell Nuland, my iPad spell checker changed it.

    Of course ,Nuland was one of the people Trump later demonized for revealing facts in the Russia investigation.

    The Trump campaign had no intention of removing Manafort until his secret cash became public knowledge. Then Robert Mercer moved in and installed his people.

    You make Victor Yanokovich sound like a victim. Perhaps you should fly to Moscow and console him.
     
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    Idiotic analogy. US Treasury, and Fed officials ALERTED the Obama admin. of a new, and unfamiliar Russian lobbyist. Butina was ultimately charged as an unregistered foreign agent by Trump's admin. Obama's admin. has a bizarre pattern of facilitating Russian lobbyists. Notably Veselnitskaya. If you don't think anyone notices how Obama worshippers twist themselves into pretzels trying to rationalize these bizarre patterns you're kidding yourself.
     
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    Thank you for making my point.
     
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    :roflol: Manafort has nothing to do with Carters FISA app. There were no Russians in Ukraine before Obama sponsored the Yanukovych coup. :;):
     
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    Wikileaks "demonized" Nuland yrs ago by publishing her State Dept. cables to Ukrainian insurgents. Yanukovych was a victim of Obama's $5bn coup. Nuland was meddling in Ukraine under Bush, and Obama / Clinton threw detente and caution out the window going forward.
     
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    No ... I don't think the point you wanted to make was that Obama made calculated decisions to facilitate Russian political influence provided that influence wasn't detrimental to DNC interests. That's the point I made, and you're irrational rationalization makes another of MY points. Thanks.
     
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    Anyone that claims Trump is an obstructionist yet ignores these facts is totally partisan and only despises Trump to despise Trump without regard to any facts whatsoever! They are only filled with hatred and could careless about reality and truth!
     
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    The Mueller report confirmed what you are still trying to dismiss as a “rumor”

    The objective was to send Moscow a message that the Trump campaign could deliver. It wasn’t as of the Russians didn’t already know that the Trump campaign was open for business. By that time, the Trump campaign had already invited them to their headquarters to discuss things.
     
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    I’m not the one dismissing and rationalizing your fuhrer’s behavior.

    And I’m not the one trying to manufacture a meme that it was Obama’s fault that Trump wanted to get in bed with the Russians (he was already there with his businesses).
     
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    The report confirmed no such thing. But then, why are we having this discussion? You're seeing what you want to see, and I see what I want to see. Let's leave it at that.
     
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    How about you just tell me who Mueller indicted for crimes alleged in Steeles dossier. Or explain why a document of so little importance was even submitted. See you broke out your big intellectual guns: "fuhrer" ... :lol:
     
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    We spent 35 million dollars for a glorified piece of the NYT/WP written as an investigative document. You can't make up that kind of waste of dollars.
     
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    Pffft! Mueller. :roll: Tom was tossing out all kinds of distractions. I even posted a screenshot of Mueller's conclusion on Page, Papodopoulos, Manafort. #179. Point is no one was charged with anything Steeles dossier alleged. 100% bogus, save the dates of a couple irrelevant innocuous encounters. Nuland's deputy gave derogatory info to the FBI, and they were legally obliged to include that info in their FISA app. Nuland's deputy just handed Carter a multi million dollar DOJ settlement. Malicious prosecution, libel, 4th A violations, you name it, they done it.
     
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    You missed my point.

    You moved off of collusion and backed down to attempted collusion. It's progress!
     
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    The FBI is a criminal organization probably thanks to the wicked and lasting influence of J.Edgar.

    Surely there must be a few good men in the organization, like Steve Bongardt of the FBI missile team involved with the TWA800 fiasco, but for the most part the leadership is as corrupt as they come.

    Colleen Rowley, whistleblower and former FBI agent, showed that unpleasant fact with the 911 'investigation.'
     
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    The evolution of the Trump/Russia affairs and the string of revelations have confirmed my point of view at every turn.

    You have denied, dismissed, and tried to rationalize all of it, and blindly acccepted Trump’s bellowing and the noise machine’s rationalizations.

    You’re still peddling the White House generated myth that Devin Nunes disgraced himself over.
     
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    Well, the report and all the facts to day make it clear that collusion was attempted, repeatedly, and with enthusiasm.

    The fact that Trump ran right to Putin to tell him that he has BS’d his way past the Mueller Report is not the normal behavior of a US President either.
     

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