Federal judge rejects Manafort's bid to dismiss Mueller indictment

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  1. PeppermintTwist

    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unbelievable that you have to explain this. This is the quintessential example of folks that have zero imagination, cannot think outside the box and possess tunnel vision while living in a vacuum located in a bubble. Jeez!
     
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    It seems you are totally confused. When evidence is obtained by the violation of another's rights, that is fruit from a poison tree. When the idiot accepts a plea bargain and pleads guilty (under oath no doubt), that is the evidence that can never be overcome. That is evidence that is conclusive and none other is needed.

    Mueller isn't on trail here (that would be another story), he is the prosecutor with a fiction as a client.
     
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    The powers of the Executive Branch, as enumerated in Article II.
     
  4. AlNewman

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    You mean unlike Odumbo where the government picked up the whole tab, Trump owns the places and there is no bill.
     
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    Wrong. It can be overcome if it is subsequently revealed that evidence, especially exculpatory evidence was WITHHELD from the defendant, which clearly is the case here.

    The Witch Hunt DID NOT reveal to Flynn, that the FBI agents who actually interviewed Flynn, had concluded that he DID NOT LIE, in their estimation.



    Kind of a "biggie", there....
     
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    He doesn't it is wishful thinking.
     
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    I knew that Manafort was guilty of something since 2014 or before. Trump should have vetted him better to make sure that he passed the smell test be sues Manafort has been tainted with the stench of pro-Russian Turds.
     
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    You have zero reason to think that Flynn was not aware of their personal conclusion - even if you did put RANDOM words in caps.
     
  9. MrTLegal

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    Even if you knew that to be a case (Trump has repeatedly billed the US Government, the RNC, and his election campaign for the use of facilities and services provided by his companies), then you would still be wrong because the costs associated with the security and travel are all "bills" being footed by the US taxpayer.
     
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    You have nothing to support your Deripaska claims?
     
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    Unless the Russian taint is the reason he hired him...
     
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    Please explain under what part of the constitution does "Special Council" appear? Only Article I, Section 8, Clause 9, "To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;", allows for any such thing.

    So let's skip the crap and call this exactly what it is, a politically motivated vendetta against the other side because their psychopath lost. Meanwhile, the real criminals put up their middle finger and walk around like the gods they mistakenly believe they are. But as has been true throughout time, beliefs control the ignorant masses.
     
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    I think the more appropriate question would be, what makes you think he has any authority at all? Or even better, why isn't Mueller and all the rest of his criminal cronies in jail?
     
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    Yeah, collateral attacks never occur, do they?
     
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    If you have to ask ... then there is really no point.
     
  16. The Mello Guy

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    He has authority granted by the DOJ
    They aren’t in jail because they’ve not broken any laws.
    Not complicated in any way lol
     
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    There is a federal court judge who has credibility and credentials who ruled that he does have that authority. So yes, there is a point to asking why you - someone without either - believe otherwise.
     
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    He has authority because the person in charge of the investigation at the DOJ, Rod Rosenstein, granted that authority. And they aren't in jail because that is a ****ing idiotic allegation with zero basis in reality.
     
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    I would hate to see someone get away with a white collar crime, since we no longer seem to go after these people in the same fervor as we go after other crime, those committed by the poor, or non elites. And to get off because of a technicality.

    Too bad Manafort wasn't a too big to jail bankster, like the ones who laundered drug cartel money and were not prosecuted, for they were just too important to economies to jail.

    That Manafort was caught because of a politically driven investigation means he should have learned something, and never again work for a candidate to help him with the RNC nomination process, if that candidate ends up beating a sure fire winner, and if that candidate questions foreign policy and open borders slave labor globalism, or any other thing that the establishment two parties have given america. And is entrenched, kept into place by very rich special interests who generally finance presidential campaigns. For when the corrupt system goes after the winner, you will be taken down too, even if it has nothing to do with the winner and the reason for the investigation.

    Something similar happened to FDR when he went after the elites, the status quo in DC, and if not for Gen. Butler, that coup against FDR would have been pulled off. We had a soft coup against trump as well, which has not been busted out, but is failing regardless. But manafort got caught up in it, and is gonna pay the price for crimes committed, that have nothing to do with trump winning. Yet he still broke the law and got what he deserved.
     
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    Correct. Ellis would be ruling on whether Mueller has the authority to bring a specific criminal complaint in a specific venue. Manafort faces a completely different criminal complaint in a completely different venue before Judge Jackson.
     
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    And even if Ellis says mueller doesn’t have that authority, it’ll just be prosecuted by someone else lol
     
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    To anyone that knows anything about law, would that not be conflict of interest? Besides, Trump is not a lawyer and used to paying his own way, gee that's something new in the ole district. Besides, he donated his salary back to the treasury so what inclination would he have to start a conflict?

    So why would one want to say rats when normally one stating such facts is normally portraying what his own psyche is attuned to.
     
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    The current Asst. DOJ has bestowed IMMORTAL POWERS on the SC, they apparently believe.


    No justification anywhere in the Constitution...agreed.
     
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    Yes. It would create the conflict of interest. And Trump has violated that conflicted of interests a thousand times over so far.
     
  25. AlNewman

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    That had already been stated and nothing new has been added to the conversation. The question is what mysterious power that is not conferred in writing in that document are you implying?
     
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