Fellow Democrats, Your Effort to Destroy the President Is Abnormal

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  1. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's better, I wouldn't say half actually believe it though, most are just trolls.
     
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    Based on various polls, the number ranged from around 35-50+% of Republicans.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you suppose loyalists to Hillary Clinton started in with the birther issue? So much so, it was taken to courts including the Supreme Court. Can you think of any republican who took this issue to the Federal courts whom was engaged in public office?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hillary Clinton loyalists took the claim that Obama was born in Kenya to the Supreme Court? What fake news site said that?
     
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    They were just fools who don't know the citizenship statutes or how the world worked in 1961.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know. I know what legitimate source said it happened.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg#Lawsuit_concerning_Barack_Obama

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/28/lawsuit-questions-obamas-eligibility-for-office/

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop to think ...

    When the Democrats sued Obama over this issue, I can see how they might have believed in their cause. Given that it seems as if Obama's father, a Kenyan, had rights for his son to be a citizen of Kenya.
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Makes me wonder how many people believe Trump is Russian.
     
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    Keep it up buddy. Your types and the lying media is why Trump is now your president. You all are mentally unstable to even think there is a chance that you can get rid of President Trump. He was elected, he beat Hillary. He will be a great president in spite of all of you. It's too bad you can't listen to your sober democrat in the O.P.'s article. Stomping your foot and flailing on the floor is not going to change a thing. Also, with all of you and others' hate filled, insulting rants, it will ensure he is re-elected in 2020. Try and get a grip.
     
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    If lying was the reason the opposing party won, Clinton would have won in a landslide.

    Trump lies over one year 10/1/15 to 10/1/16

    “Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    "I finished" the controversy about where President Barack Obama was born.

    “My opponent has no child care plan."

    Says Hillary Clinton has "not answered a single question" about her immigration plan.

    The number of illegal immigrants "could be 3 million. It could be 30 million."
    Donald Trump is wrong that 'inner-city crime is reaching record levels'

    Says the U.S. election system is "rigged."

    Says Barack Obama "founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton."

    "Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ "

    "I’m beating (Kelly Ayotte) in the polls by a lot."

    "We have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people’ ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."

    On gift taking, "Bob McDonnell took a fraction of what (Tim) Kaine took."

    Says Ted Cruz "never denied" his father was photographed with Lee Harvey Oswald.

    "We don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion. Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there."

    Says Hillary Clinton "has even deleted this record of total support (for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement) from her book."

    "For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America."

    "The Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State."

    "Crime is rising."

    "I wanted to keep it private, because I don't think it's anybody's business if I want to send money to the vets."

    It "is Hillary Clinton's agenda" to "release the violent criminals from jail. She wants them all released."

    "Look, we are at war with these people and they don't wear uniforms. … This is a war against people that are vicious, violent people, that we have no idea who they are, where they come from. We are allowing tens of thousands of them into our country now."

    Says Ted Cruz’s father "was with Lee Harvey Oswald" before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    "Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women."

    The 2016 federal omnibus spending bill "funds illegal immigrants coming in and through your border, right through Phoenix."

    Says that when Michelle Fields "found out that there was a security camera, and that they had her on tape, all of a sudden that story changed."

    "Out of 67 counties (in Florida), I won 66, which is unprecedented. It's never happened before."

    "I don't know anything about David Duke."

    Says Ted Cruz "said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject."

    Says that in the Philippines more than a century ago, Gen. John Pershing "took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood," and shot 49 Muslim rebels. "The 50th person, he said, ‘You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem."

    "Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment. The number's probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."

    A Trump television ad shows Mexicans swarming over "our southern border."

    President Barack Obama "wants to take in 250,000 (people) from Syria."

    Says crime statistics show blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.

    "I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

    The federal government is sending refugees to states with governors who are "Republicans, not to the Democrats."

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership "was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."

    "I never said that" Marco Rubio was Mark Zuckerberg’s personal senator.

    Says Bernie Sanders is going to "tax you people at 90 percent."


    All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 though Oct 1, 2016, all:

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    Says to Hillary Clinton, "You heard what I said about (the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal), and all of a sudden you were against it."

    "NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

    Says "Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

    Says Hillary Clinton’s energy agenda "will cost the U.S. economy over $5 trillion"

    Says top Clinton advisers "were pressing" birther movement stories "very hard."

    "I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

    "You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down to the Federal Elections" to see the financial disclosure form than by looking at tax returns.

    "I never said" that Muslims would be subject to profiling under his policies.

    "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

    "Our veterans, in many cases, are being treated worse than illegal immigrants."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq."

    "I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."

    As governor, Tim Kaine "oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs, including low-income African-Americans."

    "I had previously said that NATO was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. Since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats."

    "The Obama-Clinton war on coal has cost Michigan over 50,000 jobs."

    Says he saw videotape "of the people taking the money off the plane" to pay ransom to Iran for hostages.

    "Youth unemployment is through the roof."

    "An analysis showed that Bernie Sanders would have won the Democratic nomination if it were not for the Super Delegates."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment."

    "Hillary Clinton invented ISIS with her stupid policies. She is responsible for ISIS."

    Says as GOP was picking a convention city, "I recommended Ohio."

    "Just look at what the FBI director said about her (Hillary Clinton) — her misconduct is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country."

    "As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton laundered money to Bill Clinton through Laureate Education, while Bill Clinton was an honorary chairman of the group."

    Says Hillary Clinton "filibustered legislation to reform" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Says Hillary Clinton’s immigration platform would "create totally open borders."

    The Benghazi victims were "left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed."

    "Because of Obamacare, you have so many part-time jobs."

    "I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."

    Even among "second and third generation" Muslims in the United States, "there's no real assimilation."

    There is "no system to vet" refugees from the Middle East.

    We’ve broken "by millions" the all-time record for votes in a GOP presidential primary election.

    "There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment."

    "You have to be a citizen to vote," but with same-day voter registration, "you have places where people just walk in and vote."

    "We're the highest taxed nation in the world."

    "In the history of Republican primaries, I’ve gotten the most votes in the history of the Republican party."

    ISIS is making millions of dollars a week selling Libyan oil."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq, saying for many years that it would destabilize the Middle East."

    The Colorado caucus system for selecting Republican delegates is "rigged."

    Says Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio "had it set so that the winner takes everything, because they wanted to make sure that I didn't get anything" in the Florida primary.

    "My numbers are better right now than Ronald Reagan's numbers were with Jimmy Carter."

    Says Ted Cruz distributed the ad showing a nude Melania Trump on a rug.

    Wisconsin’s "effective" unemployment rate is 20 percent.

    "When those restrictions expire (in the Iran nuclear deal), Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go."

    The Trump Winery near Charlottesville, Va. is the "largest winery on the East Coast."

    Under the Iran nuclear deal, "we give them $150 billion, we get nothing."

    Says the man who rushed the stage at him in Dayton, Ohio, "had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS" in his social media posts.

    "GDP was zero essentially for the last two quarters."

    Common Core is "education through Washington D.C."

    The wives of the 9/11 hijackers "knew exactly what was happening" and went back to Saudi Arabia two days before the attacks to watch their husbands on television flying the planes.

    Says Mahatma Gandhi once said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Says "the New York Times can write a story that they know is false" yet "they can't basically be sued."

    "We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau."

    When Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate, "that was the end" of Romney’s chances to win.

    "If it weren’t for me … (illegal immigration) wouldn’t even be a big subject."

    "Right now we’re the highest taxed country in the world."

    "I never once asked that (Megyn Kelly) be removed" as a debate moderator.

    Says Mexico can afford to build a wall because the country's trade deficit with America is billions of dollars.

    Among Syrian refugees and migrants coming into Europe, "there look like very few women. Very few children."

    The five Guantanamo detainees swapped for Bowe Bergdahl are "back on the battlefield."

    Canadian-born Ted Cruz "has had a double passport."

    The 9/11 terrorists' friends, family, girlfriends in the United States "were sent back for the most part to Saudi Arabia. They knew what was going on. They went home, and they wanted to watch their boyfriends on television."

    Says his plan would cut taxes without increasing the deficit.

    Says Ohio Gov. John Kasich "got lucky with a thing called fracking," which "is why Ohio is doing well."

    "Sixty-one percent of our bridges are in trouble."

    Says CIA Director George Tenet told the Bush administration that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack "was coming. So they did have advanced notice."

    "We have the highest tax rate anywhere in the world."

    Among Syrian refugees, "there aren't that many women, there aren't that many children."

    "The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was all in!"

    Says Mexico doesn't have birthright citizenship, and Americans are the "only ones" to have it.

    Under the Iran deal: "If Israel attacks Iran … we’re supposed to be on Iran’s side."

    "We have 93 million people out of work. They look for jobs, they give up, and all of a sudden, statistically, they're considered employed."

    "We’re the most highly taxed nation in the world."

    "Some of the things that (Megyn Kelly) said, I didn’t say."

    Illegal immigration "wasn’t a subject that was on anybody’s mind until I brought it up at my announcement."

    Under President Barack Obama, income levels and unemployment numbers "are worse now than just about ever" for African-Americans.


    All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 to Oct 1, 2016, all:

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    He will be a great president? When? :D
     
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    Trump's lies were more publicly appealing (evidently) and backed up by all the negative news and leaks about Clinton and the DNC. :(
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many conservatives don't seem care about lying when its their guys doing it.
     
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    And vice versa, to be fair..
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't say I ever expected anyone in Washington to tell the truth. But then I'm not really a conservative either.
     
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    You say those are all lies but I don't believe them all to be lies. I just researched how many jobs were lost in Michigan due to Obama's pledge to remove the coal industry and it could be as many as 83 thousand jobs according to this site: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/06/promise-kept-80k-coal-mining-jobs-lost-obamas-tenure/ That site quotes a 2015 study.

    Illegal Immigration was not really an issue while Obama was in power. Democrats could care less about illegal immigrants and if i'm wrong they sure did not do anything to stop it. Trump made it a very big issue. Trump may be wrong about 61% of our bridges in the country needing repair but at least 56 thousand bridges are reported in need of repair so it's not like he is completely wrong. It is a big issue and the funding needed for these repairs from what I read is not there. If Trump want's to make light of this big problem then let him. It's not like Hillary really cared.

    I wonder what else is in your list that claims to be a Trump lie is actually true and it's not like Hillary was the most honest person. She is very shady and dishonest so given our choices I feel I made the right one.

    If some of those claims are true then yes Trump said some false things but honestly have you ever met someone including yourself that has never lied? Focus on the jobs Trump is saving and stay positive.
     
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    It was Hillary or Trump. Iremon want's to point out Trump had many lies but so did Hillary so if he has a problem with liars then I guess he did not vote for either one of them or he is just trying to make Trump look like a dishonest lying piece of crap while he probably voted for Hillary who has also lied many times. Let's be fair and honest here. Everyone lies and nobody is perfect. Between the two Trump was still the better guy to vote for. Don't support Hillary and then complain about someone lying. You don't get to do that. From Politifact.com:


    HILLARY CLINTON
    Says FBI Director James Comey’s letter about new developments in the investigation into her emails "only" went "to Republican members of the House."

    — PolitiFact National on Sunday, October 30th, 2016

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    On track, but not there yet

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    HILLARY CLINTON

    "We are now, for the first time ever, energy independent."

    — PolitiFact National on Tuesday, October 11th, 2016

    Trump hats, wine and water come from the U.S.

    HILLARY CLINTON
    Says Donald Trump "doesn't make a thing in America."

    — PolitiFact Pennsylvania on Monday, August 1st, 2016


    She should slash this talking point

    HILLARY CLINTON
    Says unlike Tim Kaine, who "invested" in education, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence "slashed education funding."

    — PolitiFact National on Sunday, July 24th, 2016


    UPDATED: Contradicted by the FBI

    HILLARY CLINTON
    Says she "never received nor sent any material that was marked classified" on her private email server while secretary of state.

    — PolitiFact National on Wednesday, July 6th, 2016


    A talking point, shattered

    HILLARY CLINTON
    "It was allowed," referring to her email practices.

    — PolitiFact National on Tuesday, May 31st, 2016


    We counted a lot more than one

    HILLARY CLINTON
    "Let me say that I don't think (Bernie Sanders has) had a single negative ad ever run against him."

    — PolitiFact National on Sunday, May 22nd, 2016


    Sanders wants more ambitious plan, but supports this one

    HILLARY CLINTON
    "The Clean Power Plan is something that Sen. Sanders has said he would delay implementing."

    — PolitiFact National on Thursday, March 10th, 2016


    A flubbed talking point

    HILLARY CLINTON
    "You are three times more likely to be able to get a mortgage if you're a white applicant than if you're black or Hispanic, even if you have the same credentials."

    — PolitiFact National on Friday, February 26th, 2016


    Maybe someday, but not now

    HILLARY CLINTON
    "We now have more jobs in solar than we do in oil."

    — PolitiFact New Hampshire on Friday, January 29th, 2016


    Longest and most detailed, but hardly the only


    HILLARY CLINTON
    "I am the only candidate on either side who has laid out a specific plan about what I would do to defeat ISIS."

    — PolitiFact National on Wednesday, January 27th, 2016


    Campaign says she phrased it wrong


    HILLARY CLINTON
    "Every piece of legislation, just about, that I ever introduced (in the U.S. Senate) had a Republican co-sponsor."

    — PolitiFact National on Wednesday, January 20th, 2016


    She chose the wrong metric


    HILLARY CLINTON
    "We now have driven (health care) costs down to the lowest they've been in 50 years."

    — PolitiFact National on Monday, January 18th, 2016


    No evidence has emerged


    HILLARY CLINTON
    ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

    — PolitiFact National on Saturday, December 19th, 2015


    The protection isn't bulletproof


    HILLARY CLINTON
    The gun industry is "the only business in America that is wholly protected from any kind of liability."

    — PolitiFact National on Friday, October 16th, 2015


    Not by a long shot


    HILLARY CLINTON
    The Benghazi probe is "the longest-running congressional investigation ever."

    — PolitiFact National on Friday, October 2nd, 2015


    Bill never made it to governor's desk


    HILLARY CLINTON
    Says Scott Walker rejected legislation to make college loan payments tax deductible and the result was "to raise taxes on students."

    — PolitiFact Wisconsin on Wednesday, September 9th, 2015


    Some Republicans have, especially Rubio


    HILLARY CLINTON
    "Not one of the 17 GOP candidates has discussed how they'd address the rising cost of college."

    — PolitiFact Florida on Wednesday, August 26th, 2015


    Even interpreted charitably, her claim is greatly misleading


    HILLARY CLINTON
    Hedge fund managers "pay less in taxes than nurses and truck drivers."

    — PolitiFact National on Wednesday, May 20th, 2015


    One, certainly not all


    HILLARY CLINTON
    Says "all my grandparents" immigrated to America.

    — PolitiFact National on Thursday, April 16th, 2015
     
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