Female Marine drops out of infantry course

Well well, the ONLY female officer to enroll in the infantry course has failed, for the second time, and dropped out. As many predicted would happen. All this time and effort to put women on the front line facing hoards of enemy men coming at them for hand to hand, physical combat and they cannot meet the physical requirements. All the turning on it's head and logisitcal consequences that would be faced and the military is being ordered to comply with and they cannot meet those standards.

So those who propose this program will you now call for a lowering of standards just so women can be forced into combat?

Female Marine drops out of infantry course

The only female officer enrolled in the Marine Corps' Infantry Officer's Course has dropped out after failing to complete two conditioning hikes last month, according to the Marine Corps' Training and Education Command.

"At this time, there are no female officers enrolled or slated to attend (the Infantry Officer's Course)," Marine spokesman Capt. Joshua Pena told CNN.
He added that 33 additional officers have been dropped from the course out of a starting class comprising 97 officers. The course started on July 6 and is scheduled to finish on September 20.
This was the female officer's second attempt at passing the course. She will now be given another specialization for her career as an officer in the Marines.

Secretary of Defense Ash Carter announced the opening of all combat roles to women back in December, but as of yet no female Marine has passed the Infantry Officer's Course.
In January, then-head of Southern Command, Marine Gen. John Kelly, cast doubt on whether many women would be able to enter the infantry if current standards were upheld.
"If we don't change standards, it will be very, very difficult to have any numbers -- any real numbers come into the infantry," Kelly told reporters at the Pentagon.

But the deputy commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. John "Jay" Paxton Jr., espoused a more optimistic view.
"I think the Marines who happen to be women, who are going into those units, are committed to live up to that standard and contribute to unit efficiency and unit success," Paxton said in an interview with the Marine Corps Times published Monday.

The US Army fielded its first female infantry officer in April.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/female-marine-infantry-course/index.html

 

Well, if they lower the standards for women, then all the beta liberal males can just claim they are trans and fall under the new guidelines.

 

so only one women drops out, how many men dropped out?

 

Does it matter? Some men will pass but no women will. We don't have women playing against players in the NFL, NBA or even the MMA and pro wrestling, but somehow when it could be a matter of life and death things need to be equalized?

 

The old Marine command does not want women in infantry so it is essentially impossible for an woman to pass. Our daughter in the Air Force often comes across COs that outright tell her no woman ever filled the job she has and none ever will. It is clear he is willing to take a reprimand in exchange for her filing a complaint - thus destroying her careeer, which is what would happen if she did complain. But she's just too good at what she does and twice she directly refused a CO's order as it would violate rules and endanger lives. The resulting investigation resulted in both COs being reassigned elsewhere.

In basic she passed all standards on the first day. Soon, without saying anything they had her carrying 10 and then 20 pounds MORE than anyone else, but it didn't work as she still met the standards. Great efforts were made to break her, but she's not only tough, but smart. In the end she got some kind of best graduate award, and has been flying thru position and rank ever since. She is now being moved around from base to base as COs want and need her expertise.

Originally, she was slated to try to qualify for the first female SERE actual rescue officer (not trainer). But such extreme extra burdens were going to be put on her over the normal intense standards she recognized the real goal was to use her to prove women can't do it so declined.

Any Marine trainer or CO can easily blow out any woman they want to. They'll just lie and cheat if need be. That is what they're doing. Marine standards for men have been so reduced the only way no woman can qualify is because they do not want any woman to qualify.

 

I know plenty of women who were able to keep-up on fire crews and they work hell of a lot harder than the Marines on any day.

Sorry but carrying a chainsaw up and down a mountain in 150+degree ambient heat while cutting down trees that are on fire I'm sure qualifies you to be the equivalent of a machine gunner. The equipment is at least as heavy, and the pace is at least as hard. Being a marine is so easy, the ground isn't on fire, your boots aren't burning your feet, and you aren't suffering from chronic heat fatigue the whole time. Oh and marine boots are for wussies. Wear heavy gauge leather that gouges out chunks of your feet instead of your nice wuss boots that would melt off your feet as soon as you stepped on a pile of ash.

I used to drink 3 gallons of water every 8 hours and was still getting dehydrated, and my guys were still getting Rhabdo and being cycled out every few days to recover from minor rhabdomyolisis.

If the marines want to complain about their women soldiers maybe they should all spend some months on a big fire at the head of the fire working chainsaws.

If women can do it there, then why the hell should we believe this stupid "drop-out" crap?

Oh and not to forget that the Israelis aren't complaining about their female combat troops. They do just fine. Same with their gays.

It's like US men are not secure in their masculinity or something!

 

The US military has always been a man's world. Many military men still refer to women as "squaws."

 

so they didn't lower the standards. Isn't this a good thing? Let them try and if they fail they fail.

 

Many men drop out as well. ELS's are almost a norm now. I respect the Marine's values of sustainable training. Army, we're getting wussified more and more. Dam kids.

 

Even in their hey-day....I'll guarantee you 70-80% of the Rightwing men who bemoan women in combat...

wouldn't have made it through that course. If they even joined up, that is.

 

I'm sure she could shoot you in the face just fine...the sexism is retarded in the modern military context.

 

Very much agree. Keep the standards the same across the board. Unlike what they did for the two women Rangers given multiple chances on multiple phases. Regular males get one chance- and they don't find out if they pass or fail until the end of RASP.

 

So because you just KNOW no women will EVER pass the course, we shouldn't let them try?

Out of 97 total people, 33 men and 1 woman dropped out. Because only 1 woman enrolled, the female dropout rate was either going to be 0% or 100%. Her doing so doesn't indicate women can't do this; just that she (like the 33 men so far) couldn't.

 

I guarantee you 95% of them couldn't even keep up with a woman on a hotshot crew.

I know women who are smoke jumpers, they'd chew the marines-up and spit them out.

The marines are flat-lander (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

Put them on a mountain at 8,000-11,000 feet, turn up the heat, and burn their feet, and they'll all cry like babies. That is if they don't pass out and (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves (go totally Awesome as we used to say).

The only people I think in a comparable situation are special forces Afghanistan. Regular soldiers in Afghanistan do a few slow-paced hikes a week and sit in bases all day. So they don't count.

 

Most grunts are all right wingers. Goarmy.com forums. Ask one of us there (we're verified soldiers on the forums by the DOD, so you can tell who's a real soldier) how many left wing grunts we know.

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Haha, yea sure.

 

You might be surprised. As with any human organization, people with minority views will tend to keep it quiet. Especially in the military, in my experience, where fitting in and cohesion are so important.

I agree liberals are a minority in the military. But I think they're a bigger minority than you think.

 

Your last sentence is completely false, and is very clear you've never served in my military. "Hikes"?? LOL! You mean "Rucks"?

BTW patrols are weeks at a time, and sometimes you're building your own OP for months.

What a joke of a post. Reported for lying.

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Maybe so, but that's mere speculation. Polls and everyone's personal experiences in the military say differently. Go to the goarmy forums and ask one of us there (we're verified through DOD, you can see by the beret).

 

Serious question: I know everyone wants to think the military is the most "badass" because they are exposed to a unique hazard (people shooting at you with all sorts of lethal weapons).

But in the day-to-day activity level.

How often do Marines get worked so hard that they pass-out and (*)(*)(*)(*) their pants? Please answer this realistically. How many people in Infantry Boot Camp on a daily basis are worked so hard that they throw-up fall down pass out and crap their pants? And then are required to get up and keep working because if you don't the fire will catch-up to you and burn you alive?

Have you ever worked a fire uphill in a box canyon?

I have ... I was a sawyer for years.

I even had to cut our own rescue landing zone and was the last man off the mountain before, watching the fire getting closer to our landing spot minute by minute with each ride more precious than the last. The spot the next day was so nuked that you couldn't even walk over it without getting burned.

So I'm really not impressed with what most pimple faced "soldiers" have to go through.

Until you carry a 40 lbs 42 inch saw and cut 16 hours straight working in temperatures that would make you sweat your balls off just resting, I don't think you have any room to talk.

Especially since I know plenty of women who can do that job.

I doubt none of you have used a saw (or your weapon) so long that your hands feel like tuning forks for hours.

 

Nothing I said is false. I love how you compare a unique situation to "weeks at a time". It's at a moderate pace, and 90% of combat deployments were to Iraq, not Afghanistan.

Iraq is at sea-level, flat, and mostly patrolled by vehicle.

If you want to split hairs about soldiers in Afghanistan fine, but there's only about 10,000 of them.

"Reported for lying"

I think you're a wuss, I don't think you know what real work is, and I think 95-99% of the military doesn't know what real work is and glorifies their "boot camp" experience which is actually pathetic and weak. I'm calling you out, 100%. I don't think you could survive 1 day's worth of work on a hotshot crew in the mountains.

I think you'd get Rhabdo and be medically finished and have to go to the hospital. You just don't know what relentless work really is.

If you had to fight an enemy 16 hours a day at a relentless pace, up and down steep dangerous hills carrying all your gear while your feet are burned and blistered, while your hands are burned, while you're sweating 3 gallons of water a day or more, then you can talk.

But I know for a FACT, that you never experienced that or combat.

 

I was referring to the particular class of officers in the story, no women will pass. But they should be able to try, why not? As long as we don't lower standards like the NYC fire department did.

33 men dropping out just tells you how rigorous it is. Even if this woman was masculine in every way, she still had a 1 in 3 chance of dropping out. From a psychological aspect, I wonder how our country would feel if women started being killed on the battlefield or taken captive. What would the reaction be to seeing a woman in a red jumpsuit getting beheaded?

 

Her basic training experience was interesting. In runs, she was always at the head of her squad and her squad never spread out. They ran no faster than the slowest squad member. When adding 20 pounds to her load - they saying nothing nor her - and she ran the same pace it was clear she had been holding back. For this, they interviewed her to ask what is going on, as each person is supposed to individually do their best.

She acknowledged she was holding back with her squad and that she had convinced the entire squad to stay together. Telling her they all had been told to individually do their best individually, plus had learned she had organized her barracks as an assembly line for inspections, not each person individually preparing, they asked her why. Her answer:
"We are a squad. We all pass or we all fail." When asked to explain, she told them, "because are a squad. In combat we all live or we all die." They really liked that answer and at graduation had her come forward for an award as they repeated what she had said.

Women going into the military other than traditional (and minimal) roles for women face many challenges men do not as the military is a man's world with alpha male perspectives, rules and goals. There have been times when all the men said yes and she said no, and it turned out she was right.

What was learned about women in combat in Russia is WWII is that once women go into a killing-fighting mode it is virtually impossible to turn them off. In one battle all were ordered to retreat facing impossible odds, but the women refused - and won the impossible battle without the men. In another, the women fought to the very last woman, but inflicting massively greater personnel and equipment loses to the Germans. They learned that "hell hath no fury like a woman" does apply in combat. They made the men look bad and sometimes like cowards.

The men of the Russian military used examples of women in combat refusing to retreat to allow their town or city overrun to claim women won't follow orders as reason to disband female units. Women in combat were just TOO violent. Women in combat take it very personally. Shoot at them?! They'll kill you for that anyway possible.

 

Women only have 60% the upper body strength of men, and are much less durable and robust. They also have non-deployment rates about 4 times higher than men.

Only an idiot Social Justice Warrior would want something on the front line that was 40% less powerful and 4 times more likely to break.

 

Again, that would be publicly discussing one's politics. Since the military is a conservative organization, and a majority of soldiers are conservative, you will see far more conservative claims made, because it is SAFE to make public conservative claims.

Surveys of soldiers paint a more balanced picture:
http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/05/does-the-military-vote-really-lean-republican/


A Pew survey released last year showed post-9/11 veterans’ political leanings are the reverse of the public they’re serving: 36% describe themselves as Republicans, and 21% as Democrats; 34% of the public said they were Democrats, and 23% Republican. Six in 10 vets say they’re more patriotic than the average American.

But there is conflicting evidence. The Center for Responsive Politics reported last month that self-described military personnel had donated $678,611 to Obama, 85% more than the $398,450 the Romney campaign has collected.

 

I think "soldiers" in this thread who complain about women in combat are themselves projecting their own wussy weakness, they are the ones that never really saw combat, never really did hard work, and probably pushed paper their entire time in the military.

They like to put others down because it makes their cocks feel bigger.

They feel threatened by women being able to do what they can do.

I stand by the fact that I know women can do what they can do and better.

 

Guy, the closest thing you've seen to combat are the scratch marks your sister gives you when you wrestle.

Your terminology is the furthest from military terminology I've ever seen. I've got a PFC holdover next to me that could list more OC regs than the BS you spew.