Feminism has a new enemy, it’s transgenders and their supporters

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Should transgender women be allowed in everything a woman is?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Yes with the exception of sports

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  4. Yes with the exception of locker rooms

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  5. Yes once they are adults and fully transitioned

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  6. Yes with the exception of restrooms

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  1. Joe knows

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    Here is a supporting article


    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tennis-legend-martina-navratilova-slams-lia-thomas-jab-feminists


    For the purpose of no confusion, I will call transgender women as fake women and real women as, real women. Biological males are in womens public restrooms, locker rooms, competitions, retail advertising, sponsorships. Literally taking money away from them that could be endorsed to women athletes, taking trophies away that would otherwise go to women, taking womens privacy. What’s more personal than an attack on everything Mother Nature gave them?

    Transgenders and feminists will clash sooner or later. It’s starting to happen the more people see this effect their daughters goals or achievements the more it sets the stage. So what side will you land on? The women or the fake women? It’s a brewing fight that I feel is the new challenge for feminists.
     
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    Adult transgender women should be treated as women as long as they have had the surgery and everything is irreversible with one exception. That is sports. Transgender women should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports. They can form leagues of their own if they want to compete in sports. They should not be able to use the advantages that they received from their birth gender compete against other women.
     
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    I say women should be respected as women because they are in fact every aspect of a woman. Transgenders should not take anything away from them in any of it. They are not women, they are something completely different. Surgery or no surgery they still are different with different experiences and challenges. I’m not saying transgenders can’t do what they want to feel comfortable in their own skin as adults. However, that doesn’t mean they should make women feel any different in their skin as well.

    Kids should not even be allowed to do anything altering to their body period. So yeah, that’s where I stand.
     
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    Sad to say it or even think it but male trans-persons seem to be outperforming natural females in every venue. Don't ask me what the answer to it is I don't have a clue.
     
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    If I need a box to fill in say package loading, and a female trans comes along, I'd give him the job because he is stronger and as more stamina and less prone to injury than a bio female. It's all about packages per hour for the box I am expected to check.
     
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    Why wouldn’t you pick a male that’s not on hormone blockers in that scenario?
     
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    Mostly I see trans rights as the anti-puritan side - same as I did with the gay rights movement. Letting people who are different be who they are despite silly cultural issues we inherited from old religions, or simple prejudice dressed up as religion. Feminism is about women having equal rights and opportunities. I can see where sports is a feminist issue vs trans people, which is basically like allowing women who abuse steroids to play, but otherwise anti-trans rights people are being puritanical and paranoid.

    I like your poll though. Multiple choices might have been better, but good choices.
     
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    From your thread title, are we to understand that your concerns vis a vis transgender women, are primarily because of your support of feminism?

    Feminism has a new enemy, it’s transgenders and their supporters

    Because then, no doubt, you are very familiar with Gloria Steinem (?). I would imagine, if there is this antagonism which you & FOX News contend exists, that the Queen of Feminism would, also, be on top of this issue. Wouldn't you think? But when I tried to find an article about outspoken Steinem's views on her most current concerns, all I could come up with, was this 2022 article:

    https://apnews.com/article/abortion...and-politics-5b174a67f33902328198c8493290dd42


    Believe it or not, I did not see transgendered women mentioned, even once! Do you know what Ms. Steinem now considers the issue, requiring the most immediate attention? Here's a hint: all things old, are new again.
    Give up? It's
    abortion rights!

    For the record, as such a staunch Feminist, you are Pro-Choice, I imagine?

    Anyway, so I next tried adding the keywords, "transgender women," and I got this short but very interesting, and worthwhile video interview. It is less than 4 minutes long, & I highly recommend to all, listening to it, in its entirety. I found out the surprising fact, for instance, that because of the selective abortion of female fetuses, and other violence against women, the human population on this planet, for the first time we are aware of, consisted/consists of more males than females.

    Yet, if you are in a real hurry, you can advance to near the end, for the specific part about transgender women, at about the 2:50 mark (out of 3:43, IIRC). Apparently, at one point, Steinem had made a comment that trans women had "mutilated their bodies," for which, she eventually apologized. Her opinion, here, is that "each person has a right to define themselves," people should be allowed to be, whoever they want to be. In fact, she reiterates what she says has always been her position, that "we need to change society to suit the individual; not the individual, to suit society." So I hate to disillusion you, but I think that FOX might just be pulling your chain.
    Give a listen, & see what you think:





    In case you'd skipped the earlier few minutes of the interview, Steinem had been speaking about violence towards women, but made a point that I think would apply strongly, to the trans "issue," regarding feminism. According to her, it has been scientifically documented now to hold true in modern societies, as it had been known to be a reliable rule in primitive societies, that the wider the gap in gender roles, between the sexes, the greater is the amount of violence towards women. From this, it would seem logical, to me, that men "acting like women"-- in addition to women, acting like men-- would, if anything, only decrease violence towards women. And even if some Feminists might be, to a degree, more Pro-Life, I think all of us can agree, that less violence towards women, is a good thing.
    Right?
     
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    Technically, anyone who ticks any answer that says yes, is saying, "You madam/guy can now go and do everything a woman does, so please go for your cervical screening appointment".

    This who thing that, "Now I'm a woman", doesn't really work, does it.

    Same with, "Now I'm a man", doesn't go to the doctor's for a testicle cancer checkup.

    Humans are supposed to be intelligent, all the animals are sitting out there looking at us thinking, "What the f!*&".
     
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    My answer is not available.

    It would be "Yes when they are fully transitioned and adults with the exception of sports and women's shelters".
     
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    A woman fully transitions to a bloke and is still biologically a woman.

    A man fully transitions to a woman and is still biologically a man.

    Renovating the exterior doesn't and can't alter the interior.
     
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    A woman can work really hard to be a top flight female athlete. A guy with mediocre talent decided he’s a female. He comes in a beats all the women and wins the awards and scholarships. His superior performance is due to the testosterone that has pumped through his body. That is just not right.

    I saw a Lia Thomas interview last night. Usually I respect people’s gender choices, but in his case, I’ll make an exception. He’s a he and that’s the end of it. He’s arrogant and condescending. HE can shove it.

    It’s like an 18 year old baseball player, says he thinks he’s twelve years old. He gets on the Pony League team and breaks all the records. Is he a big star or just a guy with a stronger body because he’s older? Fair minded people know the answer to that one.
     
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    They would probably agree, except the interior is their mind. Your comments remind me of my grandmother about gay people. She said "Why would any man want to be gay?" Well, it's easier not to be, but it's who they are inside and we treat others with decency as long as they do the same for others. And that's why sports is an exception.
     
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    There's a difference between sexual orientation and transgender. Your orientation maybe towards the same sex, opposite sex, both sexes, underage persons, animals etc.. Transgender is where they want to change physically between the sexes. So you alter the exterior to match the social norms of what a woman is or what a bloke is, but on the interior, on a biological level, they'll always be the same sex that they were born with.

    Removing facial off a guy, growing breasts due to hormone therapy, having a nip and tuck operation on the penis, wearing a dress and make up is a bloke with no facial hair in a dress and lipstick with the penis cut off and forced breast growing. A guy wanting to meet a woman to get married, have kids etc.. is not going to get far with a transgender.

    The who gender argument is, "I want you to lie about my sex". Sorry, I don't/won't/can't lie.

    My youngest lad, 22, has a group of mates. One of them started dating and having sex with a transgender that had the op, now thinking he's a she. The group of lads were that disgusted in that thought of them having sex, they told him that to hang out with them, go and dump the tranny. So he did. So even the younger generation are not into this weird stuff, and I can say, good on him and the group not tolerating the absurdity of transgender.

    Transgender should be treated, not legislated against the majority.
     
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    It depends on how you look at it. I wouldn't date one if I were single, but want people to live their lives as their authentic selves and if trans is that for them, that's fine. They may have more trouble dating than average, but there are people out there for them. Yes, they should be honest about what they are in all stages of dating. To other people, they are always going to be a 3rd category beyond regular male and female, just like people with intersex disorders biologically (like androgen insensitivity syndrome). But treatment IS affirmation, and treatment always needs to be geared towards outcomes for the patient, not other people's level of disgust.
     
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    You live, I live, we all live the way we want. It's just when I'm told to accept such and such, and say such and such, then that's the bit I object to.

    I'm in construction, I do work for gay clients. If I had the right to vote on gay marriage, I would vote no. If I did a job for a transgender and he wanted me to call him her, I think we would fall out because, "Sorry, you're a guy".

    So I work for whoever, expect Pakistani's because they're bad payers, without any issues because the subject is not covered. If they wish to cover their subject, then sorry, I disagree with you, I was brought up not to lie. If it means packing the van up and leaving, then get someone else.
     
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    This is both true and entirely meaningless. A person's biological gender matters in a tiny fraction of situations. Pretty much the two I mentioned. Everything else is pure subjective discomfort.
     
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    Biological gender doesn't exist, gender is merely a play on words.
     
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    Durr durr durr. No need to be obtuse.
     
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    Why this obsession about transgender people?
     
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    Because of the "lawyers".

    We The People
    get it
    but the peoples' will & common sense
    continually gets obfuscated by "Lawyers".
    And the best ones' regardless of personal opinion
    cost the most



    Gender Is
    What Was Declared At The Time Of Birth.

    Simple. Except for a few intersex anomalies.


    Athletics and "female" events recognizes
    the unfairness of transgender M to F competitors
    competing as females while their musculature was
    programmed 20 + weeks before birth.

    Amazing how such issues become embiggen
    in such a short time.
    Focused agenda + $ & $

    Not to forget
    Media.jpg


    Moi :oldman:






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    Why the obsession with trying to force everyone else to pretend that their delusion is normal?

    Why the obsession with them smearing normal people as "transphobic" because they won't participate with their delusion?
     
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    Why so many indignant threads about it? If you don’t accept that some people are different, ok. Just stop ranting about it.
     
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    It’s like it has been with every other minority group that got the left’s attention. They are looking to get a leg up on other people by getting quotas, set asides and probably special payments for health care.I am surprised that the LGBQX people have not done this before.

    I guess it has something to do with the fact that the Democrat Party establishment has picked them out to be the new point people for special privileges. The Democrats figure that it will lock up their votes and appeal to the bleeding hearts in the party who are always looking for more “downtrodden people” to support.

    Years ago it was woman’s issues including funding for women’s sports. Now the Democrats have kicked the biological female athletes to the curb in favor of their new “oppressed group.” It’s hard to believe, but every Democrat senator voted down the House bill that would have barred tans men from competing in women’s sports. I guess women’s votes are now taken for grandee in the Democrat Party just like Black and Brown people’s votes.
     
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    Watching trans people on tiktok or they just film their everyday lives. This would indicate that no it's not really a female mind in the body of a man. It's very much a male mind in the body of a man. In a female mind and the body of a female.

    The most interesting part of this is watching when they get upset. Trans women when they get upset respond like men they get angry, sometimes competitive sometimes they look for a solution because they're men and they're not a woman in a man's body that's not a thing.

    But the most interesting one I've seen is when trans men react when the pressure gets too high on them or something is upsetting them they respond like women because it's what they are.
     

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