fighter jets will be given to Ukraine

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  1. Talon

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    Putin & Co. are idiots alright.

    From reigniting the Cold War to invading Ukraine to rattling his nuclear saber to uniting the West and much of the world against him and his country to bringing unnecessary hardship on the Russian people, he totally miscalculated and overplayed his hand. That moron thought everyone would just roll over for him.

    Not only are thousands of Russian soldiers returning home in body bags, Russia's banks are teetering with the run on deposits, the ruble is tanking and interest rates just doubled to 20%.

    I bet the word "Stinger" caught that thug's attention, too - it's the only language Vlad the Invader understands.

    Welcome back to the Soviet-Afghan War, Putin. These are for you:

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    And so is the criminal Ihor Kolomoisky who owns the TV station Zalensky worked for and put him in office. He's also the one who payrolls Azov and it has worried Israel. What happens when the money stops? What then?

    But Jews are not the only ones Nazis kill. They kill others in Ukraine as well, like for instance Russians, Poles, Greeks, Romas, gays, etc
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    So you say, yet there is no news of such a thing anywhere to be found. Just the usual Kremlin lies.
     
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    Prove it. From a pro Ukrainian source please.
     
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    thats base on YOUR assumption. did india or malaysia etc SAID they gonna send mig29 to ukraine, didn't think so. russia control most ukraine airspace, thus any plane flew over that area are in danger.
     
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    Well wasn't this the neo con plan when they started the lies about Russia invading so they could arm Ukraine and start a war? They thought that the Russian people would suffer and overthrow Putin and put the criminals back in power. The excuse given was that if Putin wasn't in power, then Russia would split with China and we could take them on.

    It all comes from the same sociopath minds who wanted to overthrow Assad and destroyed Syria together with the whole Middle East. Now it's Europe's turn. The first casualty won't be Russia though, it'll be the break-up of the EU. Great work Washington, you'll be able to go there soon and buy everything up.


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    Most not all. They don't control the borders in the west.

    List of countries using the Mig-29.
    So in Europe I count 3 probables, Poland, Bulgaria & Slovakia. Peru could also be a possibility.
     
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    Now you're denying that the Russians are invading Ukraine?

    If you want to be taken seriously you need to make your stories more believable.
     
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    She lost the plot a while ago... Her two little friends also.
     
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    [QUOTE="Badaboom, post: 1073288561, member: 78611"
    So in Europe I count 3 probables, Poland, Bulgaria & Slovakia. Peru could also be a possibility.[/QUOTE]

    How many Mig-29s do you actually think might be sent to Ukraine?

    With a great deal of aircraft supporting infrastructure destroyed in the war I can assure you that they wouldn't be able to support many Fulcrums.
     
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    How many Mig-29s do you actually think might be sent to Ukraine?

    With a great deal of aircraft supporting infrastructure destroyed in the war I can assure you that they wouldn't be able to support many Fulcrums.[/QUOTE]
    There's that, but it all depend on where they're stationned.
     
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    If it's a pro Ukrainian source why would they say it? A little logic here.
     
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    S.america is too far. mig29 in EU are inherited from soviet, so it have outdate avionics/radar etc, +limited number, not really a help against russia air force. much better to use drone against russia ground force, but if russia have air dominance over ukraine, then those drone likely get shut down fast.
     
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    Here's a bit of reality from the always brilliant: 'Moon of Alabama'. (Warning, it's a very intellectual site and not for simple minds.)

    "...The ruble fell some 30% today but Russia's central bank immediately more than doubled its interest rate to 20%. It is willing to fight inflation before it is really sets in. How much of Russia's investment and consumption depends on imports from the 'west'? Can't most of it not be replaced by imports from China..."

    "...All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power - gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc - the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant..."

    "...Germany's crazy move to add $120 billion to defense spending (up from some $40 billion p.a.) will within a few years create a strong military imbalance in Europe as Germany will then dominate all its neighbors. This is unnecessary and historically very dangerous. The shunning of economic relations with Russia and China means that Germany and its newbie chancellor Olaf Scholz have fallen for the U.S. scheme of creating a new Cold War. Germany's economy will now become one of its victims..."

    "...It also shows that the U.S. is unwilling to give up its supremacist urges without a large fight. But while the U.S. over the last 20 years has spent its money to mess up the Middle East, Russia and China have used the time to prepare for the larger conflict. They have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has..."

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/02/disarming-ukraine-day-5-economic-war-on-russia-day-1.html#more
     
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    Air dominance isn't absolute. They can't cover the whole country 24/7. With allied help in tracking the soviet sorties, those mig-29 can be used for strikes on logistical assets. I think you put too much faith in russian military tech. Up until now they've not demonstrated anything that couldn't be achieve just by their numerical superiority. When going one on one they've been beaten back everytime.
     
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    Ukraine has to rely more on anti-air defense rather than new MIGs to deny Russia air superiority. They're doing a good job so far.
     
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    They may want them for recon and ground attack. They should ask for a few Su-25 too.
     
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    "(Warning, it's a very intellectual site and not for simple minds.)"

    :roflol:
     
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    It's a shame we can't just give them some A-10s. BRRRRRT!!!
     
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    Ooooooh yeah!!!
     
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    Is that the propaganda the Kremlin's propaganda horns are spouting or did you come up with that whopper yourself?

    The Russian people know that Putin and his fellow criminals are going to make them suffer for his revanchist aggression, which is why they're pulling their money out of Russian banks and exchanging their rubles for dollars and euros.

    And since you love Putin and his Eurasian gas station so much you should fly there and share the hardship with them.

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    *yawn*

    Emperor Xi is not pleased with his Mongol vassal in the Ulus of Jochi, Jenny. Now he's going to have to support him along with his worthless little piggy in Pyongyang...
     
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    thats why i said before, we can give them stinger and jav. but i doubt we have mig laying around
     
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    Can Ukraine Really Use Donated Fighter Jets? That Depends
    After EU says it will send some aircraft to Ukraine, a retired U.S. fighter chief explains how that might work.

    Perhaps the most eye-popping of today’s pledges to ship weapons to the Ukrainian military was the European Union’s announcement that it would soon send fighter jets. Would Ukrainian pilots really be able to jump in a donated jet and fly into combat?

    Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle says sure, if it’s a type they already know how to fly.

    “It really would not be a big step, going from a Ukrainian MiG-29 to a Polish MiG-29,” said Carlisle, a retired general who oversaw U.S. Air Force fighter jets as head of Air Combat Command.

    ... https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...ally-use-donated-fighter-jets-depends/362505/
     
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    They're getting a lot of anti-air missiles and anti-tank missiles, and putting them to good use.
     
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    its better to use stinger for anti-heli & jav for anti-tank, at this point, NATO dont have mig to give them. so light weight and small arm + some UAV is much better choice. fighter jet take alot maintenance require runway logistic and skill pilot.
     

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