Finally: Court Subpoena For Obamas Original Long Form BC Served To Hawaii Heath Dept

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  1. WongKimArk

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    Oh... by the way. Epic fail by Orly today.

    Told you so.
     
  2. rahl

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    bingham had exactly nothing to do with the citizenship clause of the 14th A.
     
  3. Foggy

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    He didn't? Are you sure? If not who did then?

    It says here that he was the principal framer of the 14th Amendment.
    I found this link here:
    http://www.14thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html

    And of course wikipedia. Rahl, let me know if these links are wrong. Thanks
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bingham


    His final submission, which was accepted by the Committee on April 28, 1866, read "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The Committee recommended that the language become Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Amendment was introduced to the House on May 8, 1866, and to the Senate on May 23, 1866.[1]
     
  4. BullsLawDan

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    I agree.

    So, does that help you understand why, when he was in the United States, Barack Obama Sr. was "subject to the jurisdiction" of U.S. law, and so therefore was Barack Jr. when he was born, and therefore he was a natural born citizen of the United States?

    Someone who is here and living/working/traveling under our laws is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. A baby born here, unless their parents are foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity, is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, because they are subject to our laws.

    Barack Obama Sr. was subject to our laws when he was living here and little Barack was born. Obviously, his wife, as a citizen, was subject to our laws. There is therefore no argument to be made that he was anything other than a citizen at birth, aka a natural born citizen.

    P.S. This distinction (that everyone except for official diplomats with immunity is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.") is supported by over a century of Supreme Court precedent, and has never been called into question... Except by birthers.
     
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    Of course.

    So now she has filed an Order to Show Cause... Oh, wait, an "Emergency" OSC, in which she pathetically claims that the District Court of Hawaii should instantly hear her "prayer" (she put PRAYS in all caps LOL) for execution of this ridiculous subpoena, because it's sooooooooo expensive for her to be in Hawaii.

    Never mind that the State of Hawaii sent her a letter before she ever came to Hawaii saying that they wouldn't comply with her subpoena... She came anyway and now claims it's a big emergency that they must cure.

    The court, in response, supposedly scheduled a hearing over a month from now... The documents are not in ECF yet, so I can't see them.

    Edit: Now I can. Contrary to what is being reported by birther sites (surprise, surprise, birthers lying again), Fuddy is not being "ordered" to appear at the hearing. The Hawaii DOH will be served with the papers. Whether they want to appear will be up to them. They'll probably do like the SSA did on this ridiculous case, and assign a bottom-level lawyer fresh out of law school to clean Orly's clock on her nonsense.
     
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    He was obliged to follow our laws, and was afforded protections under them, but he was not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.
    Was he allowed to vote in our elections? NO.
    Could he have been drafted into our military? NO.
    Could he be taxed on monies earned outside of the US? NO.
    As such, he was not given the same rights and responsibilities as a person who is subject to the jurisdiction of the US as a citizen.
    And, neither was his son.
     
  7. BullsLawDan

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    None of those things are jurisdictional.

    Jurisdiction refers to the ability of a legal system to get control over an entity and have that entity be subject to the laws of the system. In fact, the reason you mention all of those things that he cannot do, the reason he cannot do them is precisely because he was subject to the jurisdiction of our laws - some of which set those rules for him.

    See: Jurisdiction - Cornell Law School Wex
    Jurisdiction is the ability of a system to exert power over someone.

    When Obama, Sr., was in the United States, he was subject to its jurisdiction, plain and simple. Everyone who is here - immigrants, tourists, citizens - is subject to its jurisdiction, except for people who are immune from jurisdiction; people with diplomatic immunity.

    You're simply wrong. And I suspect you know it. Either that, or you're among the most humorously cocky-yet-wrong posters ever. But, hey, you got some free legal advice out of it, right? Now, if you're a grownup, you'll admit your mistake with regard to the term "jurisdiction," and we can move on.

    More likely, though, is that you'll need to maintain your delusion, and you'll continue fabricating definitions for words in your own mind. I mean, hell, if all you have is an apple, and you really want an orange, you just redefine "orange" to mean "apple", and problem solved, right?
     
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    Senator Jacob Merritt Howard

    Not the citizenship clause though. He had exactly nothing to do with that.

    That's not the citizenship clause.
     
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    Hey I just remembered.

    Corsi said Orly would be 'accompanied by prominent Hawaiian lawyers today.

    Who were the prominent Hawaiian lawyers? Corsi couldn't have been mistaken or (gasp) lieing could he?
     
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    Already refuted. The US v wong kim ark and plyler v doe. Reality will not change , no matter how hard you stomp your feet.
     
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    LOLOL.. Yes he was subject to US jurisdiction... BECAUSE he was physically PRESENT in the US.

    You should try to learn the basics at least.
     
  12. WongKimArk

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    Actually, that was apparently one of the funniest moments of the day.

    By the time the lawyer got there, Orly had already received the FOAD letter from the Hawaii Department of Health and been shown the door. When he tried to help Orly she basically told him the only thing she really needed from him was directions to the courthouse, and that otherwise he should just shove off.

    That Orly... such a card.
     
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    It is simply stunning that some Americans have such a poor education..
     
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    About education, Margot... I agree with you.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0WwC9OcOI&feature=related"]‪IQ Test: Obama Supporters‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    margot likes to talk about the birth certificate. most americans are at least intrigued by the hoax. the american people want congress to investigate the president.
     
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    The State of Hawaii just yesterday denied Orly's request to compel this fake "subpoena."

    It sucks to be a Birther.
     
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    But Trump continued to raise questions about the certificate, saying Obama "might have been" born in America.

    "My gut tells me a couple of things. Number 1, you know it took a long time to produce this certificate and when it came out, as you know, you check out the internet, many people say it is not real. Okay? It's a forgery," Trump said. "And the other thing is, nobody has been able to see the day of his birth, they had twins born, they had the other one born. Nobody has been able to find any records that he was born in that hospital."

    CNN released the results of its own investigation into the controversy earlier this year. Documents and statements from numerous public officials and childhood friends made clear that the president was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.
     
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    LOLOL.. Trump knows better.. He's playing the birthers like a cheap fiddle.
     
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    obama fiddles while america burns margot.. who's the cheap one.. trump knows what he's doing.
     
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    Indeed Trump does.

    He knows how to get publicity and make money.

    He is using Birthers like two bit whores.
     
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    PDF of the motion with the date changed by the court in HI to November 30, 10 am

    you guys want to go ?? a little golf, few brewskys we could go over to kapialani hospital and check out the shrine.



    trump wants to see the original birth certificate. who wouldn't at this point.

    what about apuzzo's latest trek. pretty cool. but i'm afraid obama is going to have to open the safe soon. plus sheriff joe is waiting.
     
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    other way around amigo...
     
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    the American people want Congress to work on the budget, and unemployment. They don't want Congress wasting one moment on Birther lunacy.

    Most Americans are not even aware of the Birther accusations and most Americans would prefer Birthers gather at a nudist camp and play volleyball.

    Yeah I am making up the last part- just like Wash.
     
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    The whores are using Trump?
     
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    i like volleyball, what do you think of cain ?
     

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