Finally: Court Subpoena For Obamas Original Long Form BC Served To Hawaii Heath Dept

He has no say in the matter. Only congress can legislate the 14th Amendment. It's written right in it. Clause 5.

 

Unfortunately, I think you rely on Google, rather than actual sources.

What we do know is that Chief Justice Roberts swore in Barack Obama and he had no issue with Barack Obama's citizenship. I would rely on him more than 'Google'

 

I understand now. Thanks for the clarification and sorry for the confusion. I wonder what happening in Hawaii right now? It's 10:37am out there so the action must be taking place around now.

 

nowhere in the 14th A is your definition present.

just to review:

1) the US state department says he's a US citizen
2)the electoral college says he's a citizen
3)the ENTIRE congress says he's a citizen
4)the ENTIRE judiciary says he's a citizen

 

He was at birth.

Not when he was elected.

 

Doesn't matter. If he held citizenship in any other country at the time of his birth he was not born a US citizen.
Once again, 14th Amendment.

 

I noticed something that brought my attention in Margots link to the code 8 of the 14th. It says it defines citizen. The article 2 section 1 clause for president says natural born citizen. I didn't see anything that said natural born citizen in the 14th amendment, only citizen. That bingham guy in the keyjim post he mentioned defines a natural born citizen as someone born to citizen parents with sole allegiance to America. What am I missing here? Why doesn't the 14th mention natural born citizen as the presidential clause does? Is there a reason? Can you help me out here?

 

Hahahhahhahhahahahah

oh yes, the gullible ones are the ones who believe a Republican governor of Hawaii, a Democrat Governor of Hawaii, two different Directors of Health of Hawaii, the Registrar of Records of Hawaii, two birth certificates, birth index data, and the newspaper announcements.

As opposed to the gullible who assumed that every other President was eligible even though you never saw any evidence of any kind.

And you are assuming the current candidates are eligible without any proof either.

Oh yes there are some really gullible people out there. And your name is Birther

 

Feeling a little peevish today Wash?

This is where this belongs- solidly in the nutso conspiracy theory section.

I don't see why you would be banned- unlike Apuzzo, I haven't noticed you lieing- you are just wrong. Unless you are using sockpuppets you should be able to post here just fine.

 

The 14th Amendment does not say that.

It says anyone born in the United States is a citizen, except for children of foreign diplomats and invading troops.

A simple yes or no question for you: If Barack Obama Sr. had robbed a bank in 1961, could he be arrested and prosecuted under federal law?

Yes? Or No? Simple question for someone who asserts they have as much legal knowledge as you.

 

Except of course he was. And of course so is Barack Obama.

Sorry you think Chief Justice Robert is corrupt or cowardly.

Sorry you think that John McCain is either ignorant or a cowardly.

 

I say Obama sr would most definitely be arrested. An example would be those foreigners coming in from Canada a few years ago who got caught at the border headed to Seattle wanting to blow up the Seatac air terminal or Space Needle. I can't remember exactly which one but they had bomb making materials in the trunk of their car.

 

A person is born with citizenships based upon countries laws. It is possible for an American citizen to be born with multiople citizenships at birth. I have one friend born with American and Swiss citizenship, and another born with American and Canadian citizenship. Both are American citizens, recognized as such by the State department and carry American passports.

What Birthers argue is that other countries should be allowed to determine who could be our President. Birther in essence are saying that if Iran declared every American a citizen of Iran tomorrow, nobody would be eligible to be President.

Not sure why Birthers want to give every other country in the world such authority over the United States.

 

There are two types of citizens- natural born and naturalized.

Naturalized citizens became citizens by statute, per Congressional action.

Natural born citizens are born American citizens.

Not rocket science here.

Which is why everyone knows that Barack Obama is eligible, since he was born in Hawaii.

 

So sad....getting all of your information from WND and Corsi....

No wonder you are so brainwashed....

 

So what you are saying Jeff is that a dual citizen at birth is also considered a natural born citizen? That bingham guy that keyjim posted about stated born from parents with sole allegiance to America in order to be a natural born citizen. I wonder, did Obama's father declare allegiance to the United States?

 

Why am I not surprised you run from the issue.

You are claiming that you understand the 14th Amendment better than Chief Justice Roberts....retired Justice Sandra Day O'Conner- and by the way Congress- since Congress approved the election without a single objection.

Luckily in the United States we follow the Constitution and the law, not Keymanjim.

 

What i am saying is that anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, except the children of diplomats.

I learned this is junior high school in the 1960's from my very conservative civics teacher- that anyone born in the United States can aspire to be elected President. This is what we all learned.

Birthers want to reshape the meaning of the Constitution in order to further their agenda. This is obvious by their embracing every and any theory that they come up with so long as the result is Obama being ineligible.

 

So was John Bingham right in his statement about allegiances?

 

Foggy- I explained my position. I have read John Bingham's statements- not just this one but others of his. I have also read many other quotes from other Congressman who were involved in the writing of the 14th Amendment.

I do not claim to be an expert about the Constitution. I am just an ordinary American citizen, born and raised here. The concept of natural born citizen has never been complicated- we all learned it is school- and the essence of it is that anyone born in the United States can aspire to grow up and be elected President. It is the most American of concepts- we are not constricted by our parents choices, nor do we let foreign governments dictate who can be our President.

And until President Obama was elected, that is what every Birther(except Keymanjim- he is in a different world) understood too. After Obama was elected Birthers searched around for any possible theories that Obama could not be eligible, and they have about half a dozen theories- and they embrace them all.

 

no.....................

 

Can you explain why and why Bingham said what he said? He must have had a reason.

 

The only person who can explain why Bingham said what he said is Bingham. And he has been dead for 111 years.