Financing Israel?

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  1. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    Here's what it seems like to me?

    Jews were given the territory of one people for the crimes of another people by a "world" council basically amounting to the former Imperial powers of the world. This is the foundation of their legitimacy.

    Israel keeps complaining about terrorists in their borders and that they are surrounded by enemies as if this was not a clear situation when they asked to be moved to the area. Because of this, we simply must continue to fork over billions of dollars a year. This is the official sum, mind you, and does not include any other weapons transfers or undocumented funds. All this despite Israel being a premier technological market in the world and connected to massive billion dollar industries in multiple countries. All this despite Israel having nuclear weapons of their own. The idea that any other country is going to "wipe them off the map in a moments notice" is utterly ridiculous.

    It seems to me that the solution is simple. Send the Jews back to Germany. Can't expect to park yourselves in another mans home and be welcome. Leave, go back to your own home, take over some native Germans neighborhoods, and let the EU finance your bull crap.

    Oh, did I mention that Israel is lobbying to make criticizing Israel in the US illegal? Pretty sure you don't hear that in the news, but oh my god, the Russians are sending people political emails.
     
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    Here's what it seems like to me. there are opponents of Israeli policies and there are anti-Semitic bigots. The opponents of Israeli policies serve a valuable purpose in these internal national debates of ours. The anti-Semitic bigots need to shut up and stay away from our children, our old people and everyone in between.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Sending" the Jews back to Germany will require some sort of armed invasion, the destruction of the Israeli government, followed by door to door armed expulsions of Israeli citizens, many of whom are well armed and very few of whom are likely to agree to your plans.
     
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    Why are we sending money to a country that's rich enough to send a lander to the moon when we have homeless vets living on our streets?
     
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    Does that apply to illegal aliens from mexico crashing our southern border?
     
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    Why are we taking in the third world when we have Americans dying in the streets?
     
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    Why is this thread called "financing Israel"? It's not about cutting funding to Israel or disinvestment from their expansionist policies, it's about denying their right to exist. Should be called "destroying Israel".

    Also, the OP is a pure double standard. It starts by saying that Jews are not welcome in Palestine because they took homes by force, but then advocates taking German homes by force instead. Because clearly they'd be welcomed if they did that...
     
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    We gave them Israel so that we had an ally in the ME.

    When this deal was being negotiated the Jews actually wanted somewhere in Africa.

    Israel was not their first choice but we convinced them that this is where they should be.

    We were using them for our own advantage.
     
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    Well could be... well could be. By providing Israel with economic and military assistance, the USA is keeping peace in the region :applause:
     
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    One need not be an anti-Semitic bigot to achieve an intellectual understanding of how the Israeli government acts, and what its history is. Indeed, if one listens to the conscientious people in Israel and beyond one discovers that they point out the criminal actions of their government, and voice their objections, petition their government and assert their morality.
     
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    Why don't we subsidize Germany Italy or Ireland where far more of our populations ancestors originated???
     
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    Agreed, there's huge problems with Israel's expansionism, warmongering and constant denial of the Palestinians' right to have their own country, look no further than Bibi's recent declarations.

    But your pont would pass better if it wasn't on a thread that literally says that Israel should be destroyed and that Jews should ethnically cleanse Germans to have their country instead. I mean, you don't see anything wrong with that?

    When you criticize Israel, you often find yourself in some pretty bad company. I think that's the point of the post you respnded to.
     
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    If you read my post, you should see me in total agreement because that is just the distinction I was making.
     
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    Jews rock, they need to clean out the arabs In Israel.
     
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    When one criticizes Israel, one is portrayed to be anti-Semitic, and that is not necessarily the case.

    It's the internet forum--I merely threw in my 2 cents worth.
     
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    I am getting more anti-israel every-year. There policies of settlement in former palestinian property is criminal. While I see the need for secure borders and have their military occupy that former arab controlled land, I disagree strongly that they then need to impede the civil rights of the people who were there before the land grab. I equate the land grab to the nazi's idea of f Lebensraum
     
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    Foreign aid is a real bad idea. End all of it. The only exception would be an ally with their troops in the field fighting a war alongside your own troops, then military aid is justified.
     
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    Really...

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    Hey, did you know that since 1920's Arabs received 95% of all the land they've asked for?
     
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    Re:
    No, when you criticize Israel, you are reflexively attacked by Israeli government paid, trained & scripted Hasbara Trolls(1) whose only defense to legitimate condemnation of Israeli ethnic cleansing, land theft & war crimes is howling:

    "You're an anti Semite!"


    "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen.

    Israel and partisans of Israel have long had a significant presence on the Internet, working to promote the Israel narrative and block facts about Palestine, the Israel lobby, and other subject matter they wish covered up.

    In addition to these, however, a number of orchestrated, often well-funded projects sponsored by the Israeli government and others have come to light. These projects work to place pro-Israel content throughout the Internet, and to remove information Israel doesn’t wish people to know.

    Under this program, Israeli students are paid $2,000 to work five hours per week to “lead the battle against hostile websites.”
    CONTINUED
     
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    So much for learning the "lessons of the holocaust".

    If it's not about the money, why, then, is no amount of money enough?
     
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    I have heard conscientious Jews say they are ashamed at what the Israeli government does, and that they are not Jews, but their voices are rarely heard - if at all.
     
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    Shhhhhhhhh.... don't let the secret out!!!

    :hiding:
     
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    I agree with the idea of cutting US Foreign Aid to all but the most desperate & needy countries but how is soaking distant soil with loyal American blood again(1) for Israel's regional hegemony ever in America's best interests?

    There are already US Troops stationed in Israel for the sole purpose of dying for aggressive Israeli war mongers(2) in wars that are in no way in America's best interests.

    Why should more Americans die for Israeli Lebensraum?




    (1) "Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year."
    AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr
    New York Sun in January 2003


    (2) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/

    EXCERPT " In other words, the IDF will decide whether or not U.S. troops become embroiled in the regional war for which Israel is preparing, not the United States."CONTINUED
     
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    You're right.
    There are numerous courageous & ethical Israeli Jews who are equally repulsed by pervasive Israeli ethnic cleansing(1) such as "Breaking the Silence"(2) which is comprised of former IDF members.

    Unfortunately, as Israel becomes more bellicose & Right Wing, they are repressed by Israel's growing number of ethnic cleansers & land thieves.



    (1) “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html



    (2) "Breaking the Silence"
    https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization
     
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    The US has troops almost everywhere. Countries much richer than us, and poor countries. It's crazy.

    Get out of NATO, get the US the hell out of the UN, and the UN the hell out of the US, and bring all the troops home.

    Just consider what SEATO and LBJ got us into 6 decades ago. Case closed.
     

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