Finland says debate on NATO membership 'will change' after Russian invasion

Finland says debate on NATO membership 'will change' after Russian invasion

Thu, February 24, 2022, 10:02 AM

Finish Prime Minister Sanna Marin on Thursday said Russia's invasion of Ukraine will change the debate around NATO membership within her country.

"Finland is not currently facing an immediate military threat, but it is also now clear that the debate on NATO membership in Finland will change," Marin said, YLE News reported.

Finland has been debating for months whether the country should apply for NATO membership, with Marin saying it would require broad support for the country to move forward with an application.

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Soon, the whole world except for Russia and China will be in NATO

 

And then you say NATO has a defensive nature. No way-it has an agressive nature, expanding more and more to Russian borders.I do not like this.

 

No, it is offering nations protection from Russian aggression. That is why so many nations that were once ruled by Russia joined NATO. They never wanted to be ruled by Russia again. Finland may feel the same way. Sweden may also decide that Russia's aggressive behaviour is so dangerous that it needs protection.

I do not like Russia invading and occupying other nations. NATO is the only way for European nations to prevent that.

 

Stop threatening and invading other countries and it probably won't.

But first you need to depose the mad dictator who lies to you and send you to war to try and conquer free countries.

 

NATO should expand right up beside Russian boarders seeing that Russia is expanding into others boarders. When the Russian government face a world wide military response for being the little Cold War fascists that they are it will likely stop or be replaced with someone that actually cares about the Russian people.

 

Finland is an autonomous state seeking some form of protection from the aggressive Bear near it. It just gets smarter to apply for membership now that we all know what can happen if countries aren't. The problem with Ukraine is that is was not a member of NATO, not that it was interested in becoming one. the idea here is that countries get to decide their own alliances and sign their own treaties without consulting Putin

 

I am sorry, but NATO expanded to Russian borders long before the first invasion in Gergia happened in 2008. Russia noone threatend before that. Moreover. I would say that aggressive behavior came at that time from US, which intervened in Yugoslavia and Iraq. In fact after collaps of Soviet union, it was not in the position to threaten anyone. Therefore, I am strongly convinced that for what happens now in Ukraine not only Russia, but also US and Europe are responsible.

 

By the way, Russia had quite good relations with Finland for the last more than half century. So there is no point for them to follow the histeric behaviour of Poland and Baltic states and go into NATO.

 

Other countries have the right to decide what alliances they want to join regarding their foreign policy, even Putin said so (true for him, not for others of course, what a surprise). Russia is invading a sovereign country at the moment, NATO isn't and never has had any plans to invade Russia. Hysteria is the right word for describing Moscow's absurd behaviour and constructed legitimation of an illegal war. Putin boot lickers should get their facts straight. With this invasion Putin has clearly shown what kind of a person he is, thus Finland or even Sweden considering closer relationships with NATO is a very natural consequence. Putin's war creates the scenario he so desparately wanted to avoid. One only has to take a closer look at his speeches and his narratives to see what an absurd web of lies has has been using for the past years. Not a person to be trusted in any way. Now that he has unmasked himself, this war will probably isolate Russia on the international stage for many years; I certainly hope so. Pity is, it's almost always the ordinary people that suffer.

 

Great, so they probably won't invade Finland to dissuade them from joining NATO. Correct?

 

Correct.

 

Russia is not giving them much choice. Putin just proved he is willing to violate other countries borders and murder their people + destroy their cities.

Jeffrey Dahmer had good relations with his neighbors until he stated killing them.

Finland has mandatory military service for all males for one reason, and one reason only: Russia.

Finnish building code requires multi-family homes and public building to have bomb shelters for one reason, and one reason only: Russia

Finland tests their air raid sirens on regular bases for one reason, and one reason only: Russia

Largest minefield in the world existed in Finland for one reason, and one reason only: Russia

Russia, Russia, Russia.....

 

US long time ago violated borders -Yugoslavia in 1999, Iraq later etc. and was not punished. Why? This is what called double standards and hypocrisy. I have no idea who is Jeffrey Dahmer, but your example is not relevant here.

 

Russia deserves no security. And who’s to say they couldn’t have joined NATO if they changed their ways. They screwed themselves by doing this.

 

If Russia deserves no security, then neither deserves security any other country that try to get the security at the expense of Russia. Punkt.

 

Punk… hmmm I like it, it’s better than being a Russian supporter. Lmao. He threatens security we defended it. I’m proud of the handling thus far.

 

Why? Because we had international backing. The world begged us to end the bloodshed in Yugoslavia

Its relevant since you claimed Putin is a "good neighbor". Maybe he WAS a good neighbor, but he not anymore. Dahmer was a serial killer who was a good neighbor (like Putin) until he started killing people (like Putin). Dahmer was a murderer and so it Putin. Entiendes?

 

Also the same with Sweden ... they think about a NATO membership too now. Even here Putin still sent out some threats towards Sweden due to these thoughts.

What agressive nature please? because they expand? That is nonsese to tell this is agressive! Countries start to fear Russia now and this is well-reasoned and so they want enter a strong alliance and being protected with it! Very reasonable!

Which agressive strike / war has NATO done until now? Only 1 - Kosovo against the bloody Milosevic regime.
Funny is that Kosovo and Ukraine now are very comparable ... and this is also why I had and have no problem to give Putin Donbass and Crimea ... but obviously Putin wants to conquer complete Ukraine as it looks like with fighting in north of Kiev and other places currently!
So this is an aggressor war strike and nothing else now from Putin ... something for what the surviving Nazis were brought to court aside Holocaust crime too after WW-2!

 

Maybe the East should take that as an indication that they are largely on the wrong side of history.

The East, inclusive of Russia and China do not get to determine what organizations or treaties independent nations join.

The bigger question would be, why does Russia perceive nato as a threat.

 

No, US did not had international backing. Less in case with Iraq, when even NATO countries like Germany and France were against intervention, not speaking alone Russia, Switzerland, China and many others.
You can not compare a single person and a state. The decision to start a military operation was a collective one.

 

Expanding NATO is not a good idea. That is what lead to this problem in the first place. It will push other powers into the corner and encourage conflict, not prevent it.

 

Indeed NATO should stop threatening and invading other countries .. but as you say .. it probably wont.

 

True, countries start to fear Russia now, but they joined NATO when Russia was weak, and NATO expanded not now, but long time ago. I also should say you forget about Iraq, when even some NATO сountries were against the invasion. By the way, I am against intervention of Russia in Ukraine. My point here is to say that not only Russia is responsible for what is going on in Ukraine now.

 

False. What lead to this problem is Putin, not Nato.
Also, the ultimate goal is to make sure despots can't invade others without heavy repercussion. Nato doesn't attack, it only defend. If Russia didn't invade is neighbors nothing would happen.

 

Your claim about "the East" is abject nonsense -- is the West who has been on the wrong side of history over since the wall fell.

NATO has encircled Russia and put missiles on its borders -- destabilizing nuclear detente. did you not get the memo ?