Firearms amnesty as UK gun crime rises 27% this year

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I hate to wish for bad misfortune to befall gun banners but it would be most edifying if flogger ran into some violent jihadis and realized he cannot have gun.

 

Not really.
Those crimes are mostly limited to minority Ghettos and the crimes are Gang & drug related turf wars and related issues and this small less than 3 % commits 97 % of the criminal acts in America, do you punish the Millions of law abiding people that own firearms and commit no crimes ?

 

Nationmaster lists a lot of sources, but notice they are all secondary. And try to track down the actual data by following those sources - as I and others in the forum have done - and you will often find a dead end, the referenced data is not to be found. You will also find that Nationmaster often compares different years and sources, comparing for example crime data for the USA for 2010 from the OECD to UK crime data from 2005 from the EU reports.

Also deeply discussed in the forum. There is no simple proof unless you - also as has been done in the forum - go into the methodologies detailed in the FBI UCR and the AUS crime reports. Most differences are in labels, not in the statistics, you cannot compare similar names of crimes, you have to know what the definitions of each crime are and compare similar crimes.. In general, developed western nations crime reporting are very similar. If you want to truly answer that question, you will have to invest some time in the reports.

And in case you were wondering, the reporting methodologies did not change significantly for the AUS crime reports. Gun banners usually claim that there was a change in reporting in AUS and that explains the crime bubble which started in 1996 and peaked in 2001-2002. If you go through the AUS reports, you will see that when there is a change in reporting or methodology, that report provides corrected data for past years, and those adjustments are very small and insignificant, sometimes showing up in the hundredths place in crime rates.

Also, changes in reporting do not produce bubbles, they produce step changes.

 

because it is their dogma and they will never admit what they have done in the inner city

 

The institutional racism of the DP and what passes for the progressive left these days has turned America's cities into urban hell holes of relentless government sanctioned ethnic cleansing.

 

The abuse of statistics.
Gun crime increasing from 2 crimes a year to 3 crimes a year = 50% increase statistically and no significant increase in reality.

That you have to go back 15 years to find an example of a robbery at gunpoint, rather demonstrates how few of them take place in this country.

Hand guns may be the "preferred" weapon of criminals, but it is not the predominant weapon of criminals. That is probably still knives.
Wanting a hand gun is not to be confused with actually having one.

 

But, then the UK has moved on to outlaw other forms of self defense. The pattern of centralized government control over it’s citizens continue on and individual liberty is a privilege only wealthy and politically influential can fully enjoy... not much different than in all the UK’s colonial possessions. But, interestingly enough, without the US, the UK would be someone elses’s colony.

 

I have used guns here for self defence.
It is my legal right to do so.

This is not outlawed and I am not in prison.
Quite the opposite. Last time I did so, the police authorised me to buy bigger guns.

Certainly our colonies have saved our arse's in the past just as we have theirs.
Nice one.


I certainly feel there is a tendency amongst the far left in our population and government to seek a greater monopoly over the use of force. But ultimately it's very vocal minority.
We are by and large all willing to defend ourselves.

One of the tennets of our society is "An Englishman's home is his castle".

 

Handguns ?
Concealed carry ?
Bigger guns ?
Disambiguation requested.

 

There's support for the obvious here: don't support gun culture and don't make it easy for nutters to buy guns. Brits are genuinely easy going though. They appreciate its important for Americans to make it much easier for nutters to acquire guns. Its a rights issue after all.

 

Why is the focus only on firearm-related violence, when other na

The concept of self defense in the united kingdom is, for all intents and purposes, outlawed. Law enforcement states that the only legal self defense tool available is a rape alarm, and private individuals have been threatened with arrest for brandishing a kitchen knife in their own home.

 

Imagine our surprise that the risk of victimhood is so much lower...

 

"otlawed" er?
No it isn't.

Name that law please. Lol

Law enforcement states the only legal self defense tool available is a rape alarm?
No it doesn't.
Name that law.

Law enforcement advised me I am legally allowed to use reasonable force to defend myself.
That could be your gun, your car, your knife, your chainsaw, your fist, whatever.

The key to this one legally is the definition of the word "reasonable" and ultimately this will be decided by a jury of your peers and not the law.

Example.
The police advised me that if he has a knife and I shoot him, that's clearly reasonable. Even if I just think he has a knife, it's reasonable.


The focus on firearm violence in the UK is because it is so rare here.
This isn't a gun culture. Gun crime is a big deal here.

Any infraction of any gun law in this country results in mandatory 5 years served in prison.
If I leave my gun the boot of my car... 5 years.

 

The problem with statistics has always been the 'liars that figure'.

“The admission came as the Government reported a 22 per cent yearly rise in the most serious violent incidents, spanning murder, attempted murder, manslaughter and severe assaults. In a supplement to its quarterly crime figures, the Home Office said that 13 forces had for years been under-reporting the number of cases of Grievous Bodily Harm with intent.” Jon Swaine, “Serious violent crime under-reported for a decade Police forces have been failing to properly record serious violent crime for more than a decade, the Home Office has said.” By Jon Swaine, Telegraph, 23 Oct 2008.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...iolent-crime-under-reported-for-a-decade.html

 

Why are you referring to a right wing rag and assuming its able to refer to statistics?

 

You cite statute law why don't you ?
Since all guns must be locked up in a safe in your residence, or a gun club, and not accessible, I fail to see how a defense with firearms, certainly not currently illegal handguns, is even possible, and complicated further by your nebulous explanations that leaves much to be desired.

 

A safe can be unlocked.
It has a door. You can open it and take the gun out of it any time you like.
Safes govern firearm storage and not firearms usuage, obviously.

I don't need to cite statue in law.
That I am here writing this to you and not in prison has convinced me absolutely.
Been there, seen it, done it.

Self defence is legal. Owning a handgun is not.

The firearms law pertaining to self defence is this.

You may apply for a firearms certificate, for rifles and extra capacity shotguns, if you show reason for owning one. That reason is not allowed to be "self defence".


You may own a shotgun for the purposes of self defence, or indeed any other reason. A shotgun certificate is required. No reason for owning one is required to be given at all. It is your legal right to own one..
Drugs or violence convictions disbar you from a gun lisence. Mental health issues also.

 

Nebulous, very nebulous.
I at least could explain methods, you have not leaving open doubts as to veracity of statement in absentia of fact.

 

Go ahead and explain your methods then.

Having been through the legal system on this issue, I will be happy to correct you as required.

 

You prefer The Independent?

“An estimated 1.4m crimes are going unrecorded by the police every year partly because officers bend the rules to exaggerate their success, government inspectors have discovered.
Police officers have been found grossly to misrepresent and massage crime statistics to improve their detection rates while downplaying the number of offences committed.”
THE INDEPENDENT, Police fail to report 1.4m crimes, By Jason Bennetto, Crime Correspondent, 01 August 2000.

 

My methods do not apply in U.K.
However, please elaborate since your scant explanations seem to contradict all accounts I have seen on the topic.

Having experienced N.Y.C. complex gun laws, although obviously somewhat less severe than U.K. gun laws, it stands to reason that the purpose of such laws is to limit legal access to firearms in general and specifically handguns as instruments of personal defense and defining such as offensive and injurious or dangerous to public welfare.

 

Handguns here are banned.
A ban that affected almost no one, because almost no one here had handguns in the first place.

Handguns are not unheard of in the criminal fraternity but are exceedingly rare.
Essentially you need to be connected to an international smuggling ring to get one.

As a general rule of thumb, criminals here don't have guns.
I do, they don't. All is as it should be.

My explanations are correct. Whatever else you have heard is incorrect.
Americans will crap on about how we have no right to self defence and are victims of gun crime etc. But they talk arse and this is simply politically motivated crap to reinforce their own domestic agendas.

Equally most UK people are not gun owners. There are 1/2 million gun owners here in a population of 65 million.
And only 1 in every 15,000 of those has an incident that requires investigation.
Most of us here don't know the law or have any reason to learn it. Guns are just things we see on TV.

UK people are not gun owners because they don't want to be.
Yes the laws are very restrictive, but not prohibitive. If you want one, you can have one, it just really is this simple, People here don't want them.

There is no real fear of crime here in that way. Sorry.
Also not much space to use them. Most people live in cities. Most of the country is urban in nature. We have a high population density.

As Brits we take some amount of national pride in our dislike of guns.
We are proud to be so gun free.
It's part of our national identity to be so.

Cup of tea?

 

Great.

You face a couple criminals with knives barehanded. I'll face them with Smith and Wesson.

 

Businessman tackles two thieves after catching them red-handed on his property . . . now HE'S one on trial for assault

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-red-handed-arrested-defending-property.html

Farm tenant arrested after burglars shot
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...r-burglars-shot-was-plagued-by-break-ins.html

Judge releases UK man jailed for beating up home intruder

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/286098

In the UK, homeowners who defend themselves against burglars and violent criminals are routinely arrested and thrown in prison
https://www.naturalnews.com/037166_self_defense_homeowners_violent_criminals.html