Five states account for 43% of the country's new Covid-19 cases in the past week

Fake News.

Now the top THREE states account for 43% of all our active cases, CA, NY and VA. All Blue Lockdown States.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

So trust freedom and liberty outright, hmm? Then why do we have laws in the first place? Why do we have law enforcement?

 

So that the government can protect liberty and individual rights.

On the federal level, necessary and proper laws are written to put into execution the limited powers granted the government by we the people, but that's pretty much just theoretical these days.

These days the government usurps all sorts of powers, and the huddled masses applaud.

 

Continued fear mongering over the mildest SARS variant...

People have every right to gather, whether you like it or not. Healthy people cannot spread covid.

 

Lefties don't like math. It's racist, remember?

 

I've explained with my bullet points how the public school education system has failed people, since they apparently believe that viruses are capable of doing those things.

Who is denying COVID? Everyone participating in this thread (as far as I can see) acknowledges that COVID exists.

 

Good point.

 

When government must intrude with laws and regulations, they have a duty to do so, in the least intrusive manner that accomplishes their legitimate interest.

Never forget that American and Americans are a Freedom and Liberty society and the folks charged, by us, with regulating us, need to remember and respect that, or, we need to replace them with folks who remember that We The People are who authorizes our government in the first place, and we damn sure will make personnel changes where necessary in order to get the service from government that we desire and expect.

 

Who claimed that 5/4ths is anything OTHER than 1.25%?

Of course 5/4ths is 1.25%. Everyone with a few brain cells to rub together gets that.

 

That isn't the point.

Give me a break.

So?

You are claiming that some states (other than Florida) lost 1.25 Years of School?

Do you have a LINK?

I hadn't heard that.

Thanks for the clarification.

I will make a note of it.

Oh? Ok.

So? You are standing by your claim made in Post #11?

So?
You are standing by your claim that some states (other than Florida) lost 1.25 Years of class instruction?

Do you have a LiNK?

I hadn't heard that.

Thx in advance.

 

I wonder if anyone who hates Florida's governor's approach to the pandemic has measured any of the factors but Covid numbers? How are Mom and Pop doing in Fla? What are the unemployment numbers? How about mental health, suicides, confrontations between neighbors, school progress? How are the kids doing compared to areas that have been locked down extensively? Are the people in these States happy with the way it is being handled?

 

Ignoring the mutual defense of America IS sociopathic.

During WWII, people were admonished to keep their lips shut - in obvious direct contrast to our rights of speech. Today, our rights of peaceful assembly are the problem, as it is how COVID spreads.

There are times when our best defense of America comes from choosing to do those things which support America's defense - even if we have a "right" to taking actions that will cause Americans to die.


And, healthy people absolutely CAN spread COVID. That has been well known for a year now. How did you manage to remain so ignorant of that?

 

Hmmm. You had the same teacher for reading as for math I see. Your reading comprehension is as poor as your ability to understand fractions. I clearly stated it was likely a typo. I never claimed anyone lost any amount of schooling. LOL

 

One of the biggest problems was an incongruent federal policy. Paying people more than they made working to stay at home and giving people whose incomes weren't even affected free money while expecting them to stay at home and social distance is akin to throwing someone a keg party to celebrate their six months of sobriety.

 

I'm all for locking out non-residents from the state. We should have kept their Democrat voting, covid infected bodies out of here.

But, FL has a huge tourism economy and the more who become infected, the more have antibodies

You do of course realize that Covid is not a death sentence, don't you?

 

What's so terrible is that so many don't. I wonder why that is so?

 

They don't because for the last 12 months they have been terrorized by Fauci & Friends. Talk of the success of HCQ and Ivermectin have been strongly suppressed by the gate keepers of the official narrative.

When in a state of terror, humans and other critters are known to become irrational.

 

COVID was a death sentence for over 35,000 Floridians many of which were citizens of our greater generations who raised us, provided for us, built our state and our country into what it is today and when they needed us to make the most minuscule of sacrifices like putting on a damn mask and staying out of the bars for a little while we say 'screw you, our selfish self-indulgences are more valuable than your life, so go die old man because I got some Bud Lite to chug, muh rights muh rights muh rights yeehawww pickumup truck muddin n' stickin on the bass boat magamagamagmagmagmagmamgamgma'.

Florida is a highly diverse purple state standing on a knife's edge desperately trying to catch its balance and not fall blue. But FL Republican ranks have taken serious hits as a result of their ignorant, science-denying, anti-masking, COVID belligerence. For one, those dead people that you're writing off, they were the backbone of the senior voting block that helped anchor so much of the state's officers red. For two, independents and former-Republicans like myself are set on removing people like MoRon DeathSantis and Gas-Mask-Gaetz and we're hoping the DNC runs a quality candidate so that option will be available. And three, you're right, northerners are flocking to the state and yes most of them probably vote Democrat.

I have said it numerous times, the GOPs COVID response would cost the right their vision for America and that truth is manifesting itself everywhere we look. Add up every putrid policy, every ideological insanity, every negative impact of far-left radical progressivism and then weight it against what you got in return... a few months of anti-mask tantrum throwing. Not since the Native Americans traded Manhattan for beads have a people ever so thoroughly f'ed themselves. Bravo GOP.

 

Ah ha! So we temper freedom with the law so that it can be had by all, not just strong... not just the powerful... not just... the healthy. Very good.

A mask mandate would have been exactly that and yet when we needed one the most Florida Republicans went into Continental Congress Cosplay mode screaming to the hills 'the maskers are coming, the maskers are coming' and yea they won their little fake war on freedom except the KIA count was quite real.

 

"The Trump Administration’s Deregulation of Nursing Homes Leaves Seniors and Disabled at Higher Risk for COVID-19"

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...leaves-seniors-disabled-higher-risk-covid-19/

"Why are nursing homes being hit so hard by the outbreak? One reason is that they are a target of the Trump administration’s aggressive deregulation agenda."

"In response, the nursing home lobby again advocated for less oversight, and in July 2019, the Trump administration proposed new rules relaxing the requirements tied to infection control. It suggested that consultants could be used, instead of requiring infection specialists to be employed at the site, at minimum, on a part-time basis. This meant that there was no longer a requirement for a full-time, hands-on expert in infection contamination on-site."

the reality is, Nursing Homes should have separated infected people, they failed to do this, hospitals could not give up a bed for everyone that showed no symptoms and tested positive, not enough beds

 

Your focus on FL comes across as disingenuous. No state with age of population that we have in FL, did as well. FL's death rate lower than 27 other States. FL's population did a better job avoiding death with Freedom and Liberty than many of the Authoritarian Lock-down states.

The worst 4 and the best two states are full mask statewide, so the data doesn't support your claim that these cloth masks are the key to preserving life. COVID particles are 0.125 microns. The pores in a cotton mask can be 100 microns, COVID particles go right through them. They're essentially snot grabbers. If you truly want a mask that will stop the virus, you need an N95 that fits tightly, and you need to be clean shaven and not fiddle with it, and even with perfect conditions it's going to allow 5% of the virus through. Now, I wear my mask, and I keep my distance, but, those cloth masks you see everyone wearing are not going to protect you if end up seated next to someone in an airplane who is shedding virus.

And we all get why you are going after DeSantis, you are afraid that he is going to wipe the floor with Kamala in 2024.

 

Really have to stop comparing states, its pointless. It might sound logical to say state A has X cases with a mask while state B has Y cases without a mask therefore <blah> but there's no scientific basis therein, its just organizing your data and drawing conclusions. People do it with gun crimes vs gun laws all the time and its just as pointless. In fact the only objective conclusion you can draw in this theater is that states w/ mask mandates would have done worse and states w/o mandates would have done better. And even that's shaky because once we load in factors that matter (are ppl wearing the right kind of mask, are they really wearing it when they should, are they handling and disposing of it properly, etc) we get a more accurate picture of effectiveness.

But you know we cant teach 1st graders to grasp the concepts of thermodynamics. They're, after all, 3rd graders and so we just teach them not to touch the stove because its hot. When it came to mask most Americans were effectively 1st graders. It would have been great to properly educate people about why they needed to wear a proper mask but we could barely convince most of them they they needed to wear one period so we had to take what we could get. Fear not though even a simple home made t-shirt mask was actually contributing in a huge degree to reducing the amount of SARS-CoV-2 spew in their air - which was the primary goal, personal filtration being secondary.

 

No. That most certainly is not the "only" conclusion that may be drawn. With both the best and worst states having mask mandates, one could quite sensibly draw the conclusion that a mask mandate is not the key to death rates. And there are several possible answers for this:

- Mask wearing, when it's needed, may be better, or worse, in a mask mandate state than it is in a partial mask mandate state like Florida.
- Masks, when worn, may not be worn properly. When it doesn't cover your nose, it's not filtering the air that is coming in or out of your nose.
- Masks may be the wrong type. I've seen knitted masks and masks with exhalation valves.

Actually the first guidance was NOT to wear a mask. Fauci said that by the time you get done fiddling with them, it would just make you touch your face more and so just don't wear one unless you have COVID. Turned out that in the 10 years after the Federal government used up three fourths of their mask stock for SARS that nobody bothered to replenish the stock and a lot of our masks come from China and they not only weren't shipping them, they were buying up world supplies of N-95's.

So later, and this is moths later, then suddenly we were all supposed to wear masks, but, they didn't need to be N95's they could be pretty much anything thing you threw over your face. Looking at our 50 states, where is the association between mask mandates and death rates? It's your claim, support it.

 

Yea I remember that fiasco and everyone responsible for the various parts of it should be kicked in the stones. But the message I'm trying to get across is stop looking at state death figures for your evidence that masks work - that fact was already proven long before COVID came around. I cant give you numbers of mask wearing people that encountered COVID but didn't acquire it, and you cant just select groups of people by what state they live in and use it to conclude mask efficiency. The former doesn't exist and the latter doesn't mean what you think it does.

 

Fauchi was right the first time. Masks are not the one true safety measure to save humanity. They are a placebo, a marker to judge public compliance. Out here in Redneckistan we let yuh ride in our pickumup trucks and bass boats without a mask and if yuh git sick we'll bring yure Bud Light to yuh while yure qar--- kurin---- uh, locked up.