Five states account for 43% of the country's new Covid-19 cases in the past week

I LoLed.

 

I get it, you have a "stiffy" about DeSantis. That's fine and frankly, there are over 22.2 million residents of FL. which is 1/10th of 1% death rate

Of those 35k you cite, are you even clued in as to how many had comorbidities? if it mirrors the large local hospitals around here, it's over 97%

You can have your hatred all that you want. FL has a HUGE elderly population and whether you want to admit it or not, the minorities also tend to have comorbdities such as diabetes, heart conditions and other maladies brought on by obesity. That is the sad reality

But, do not let reality and facts get in the way of your vitriol.

Summary= if you are elderly with comorbidities the chances are greater that you will suffer worse from flu and other viruses

IF you are obese and have comorbidities brought on through poor lifestyle, you are also more susceptible to ill effects from viruses

Gee, weren't we taught as kids to "eat right, exercise, get plenty of sleep and fresh air?

But nope, we needed to lock down everything because personal responsibility isn't ever to be considered

 

Personal responsibility is a trait I value highly but just because others might disregard it doesn't mean I have to as well; which isn't at all to say that we can write off every death as 'they had it coming'. My personal responsibility, both communal and Christian, was to wear a mask, stand apart, and take every opportunity to avoid large gatherings. This was not a burden, it was a duty. One of the final straws for me leaving the Republican Party was that the ideals at the core of Conservatism were made hollow by the general (as in not absolute) right-wing response to COVID nullifying, among other things, the sense of personal responsibility. That people who profess their love of America so regularly, and with such esteem, went into infantile tantrums over needing to wear a mask was disheartening to say the least especially considering that doing so prevents infection, saves lives, and strengthens America.

 

Andrew, in reply to you, acted as if it wasn't possible to lose 5/4's of a year. Andrew doesn't understand fractions.

I think you mean 1.25, not 1.25%.

1/80 is 1.25%, while 5/4 is 125%.

 

I cannot spread a disease that I do not have, dude.

I have the right to peaceably assemble, dude.

 

If observations don't fit your preconceived views then just make up an explanation out of whole cloth, right? It's useless talking to people like you. You think you already know the answers and to hell with actual data - it must be faked. pffft.

 

How do you explain states with only partial mask mandates outperforming States with full mask mandates?

Further, you no longer want to compare death rates, and obviously that's because it undercuts your point, which is a pretty darned ungracious concession, given that the claim I was responding to was your claim that FL's partial mask mandate rather than full mask mandate, killed people. That's about as strong of a claim as you can make, but, it's not supported by the data. In fact, the data supports DeSantis' approach of focus on the most vulnerable, our precious elderly, and using a combination of rules and advisories. FL has done a superior job than 27 other states, most of which used the authoritarian approach that you favor.

It doesn't appear that the data supports the superiority of Authoritarianism, which means to me that your commitment to it is rooted elsewhere. What might be the root of your trust in authoritarianism over Freedom and Liberty?

I think what you might find helpful is what is known as "the local knowledge problem". Watch for this as you just live your life over the next season. It's a description of a key shortcoming of centralized power in that those that are asserting it do not have the knowledge of the local circumstances that someone positioned there does. That is a key insight to republicanism (small r, not to be confused with the political party) local control, supported by (but not dictated to) the higher levels of government. Our country has always been a shifting balance between democracy and republicanism, the key is reading which approach is a better fit for the job at hand.

 

Yup. I meant 1.25.

Thank you.

 

You are a total sociopath, dude. Only sociopaths would risk other people's lives just because they can.

And, you do NOT know if you have COVID until you get tested or have serious symptoms.

Anyone can spread COVID before EITHER of those two events takes place.

If you get tested, you know your status as of the time and date of the test - not later.

uh, Dude.

 

If you've been vaccinated or have recovered you can be reasonably sure that you can't spread covid. Reasonably sure is about as good as it's ever going to get. Do you drive a car? Only a sociopath would risk the lives of others just to selfishly travel. Get a bike!

 

There are studies that show that those vaccinated have a significantly reduced change of passing COVID to someone. Those studies do not all show the same results and suggesting that the answer is settled is clearly not the case.

Your example is just plain STUPID, because we need cars due to the way our society is designed. Plus, you should have noticed that requiring people to use public forms of transportation is a significant way to increase the spread of COVID.

Wearing a mask is TOTALLY FREE of all ramifications on one's life.

Only a sociopath would trade off the risk to the lives of others for the infinitesimal effort of wearing a FREAKING MASK!

 

You should quit calling people who disagree with you these nasty names.

 

If someone clearly states that they will absolutely disregard the lives of others even when it is FREE to do so, they ARE sociopathic.

I just don't see any reason not to point that out.

If they actually believe what they say, I suppose they should feel great about being sociopaths.

We're a civilization or we are not. We care about America's population and our success as a nation or we don't. We work together or we choose anarchy.

This isn't some sort of ad hom. These are the definitions of the terms.

 

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What are the racial stats?

 

Ok man I've been trying to hammer this point for half a dozen posts now. It seems like you're trying to put the pieces together to produce the picture you want to see but puzzles don't work that way. There are far too many factors to draw usable conclusions between states that did and states that didn't have a mask mandate. It gets a little cleaner when we reduce the scale and examine the same area multiple times, as is the case in pre and post enacted mandate trends (which btw nearly all, like high 90%'s, showed significant reduction in the week-to-week cases) but even this I find too inconclusive for my taste.

Just accept the fact that masks work and wear one, please? I mean when I look at a maskless person I cannot help but think 'wow what a selfish piece of ****' and I don't want to think that way about people, I just want us all to do this simple task that costs practically nothing and has great value in return. I don't think its too much to ask.

 

Are you dim? If you are reasonably sure you are not going to spread covid, which BTW is THE REASON WE VACCINATE, then wearing a mask is retarded. It's pointless and does nothing but make drama queens like you feel all secwure and warm and fuzzy.

 

Yeah bury your head ffs. If the data doesn't support your forgone conclusions then just dismiss it. Pathetic.

 

and that was your decision; but your mask didn't save anyone. Those with co-morbidities needed to practice good hygiene and avoid walking into coughs and sneezes, much like we all do even pre-covid. Hygiene was key, but once masked up, we saw masked up folks touching everything and then touching their eyes, nose and mouth.

It is nice to use the words about your Christian values yet I call that into question when you launch attacks on the governor including tossing insults including how you spell his name. But, that is between you and God and I am not to judge.

In the end, neither we nor any government, including a Democrat government can protect folks from getting sick. You may wish to believe that Democrat voters and Democrat politicians have a monopoly on intelligence and how to eradicate any virus; but you'd be wrong.

It's up to the individual to live a better lifestyle and practice good hygiene. Also, your support of govt mandates does open the door for more mandates such as govt determining what we should eat, ration health care if we smoke etc etc

You may think that would not happen but we are now a nation divided; one side of personal liberty and the other side that says nice words, but wants the govt to have more control of our personal lives because we the people are inept

choose your side wisely

Oh, and the side of liberty is not the GOP party and certainly not the Democrat party

 

You are projecting an idea that is COUNTER to the CDC.

The CDC continues to call for those vaccinated to wear masks and to limit activity due to the possibility of transmission.

Getting vaccinated does NOT mean that one no longer carries any COVID viruses.

 

I can't spread a disease that I do not have. You are being completely irrational.

I can tell when I am sick, the same as I have always done in the past. I do not need a test in order to do that.

One can only spread covid if they are infected with covid.

Correct, IF the test is accurate. The PCR tests for covid are NOT very accurate.

Dude.

 

==> In general, you do NOT know if you have enough COVID to spread the disease to others.

If you get tested by a good test, you will have good information concerning your viral load at the time you took the test. It does not clear you for what happened after you walked away from the test site.

The virus causes the disease. You can have a significant viral load and have no symptoms for a couple weeks. During that time you can infect others even though you are asymptomatic.

So, most of those who spread the disease are probably unaware that they have enough viral load to spread the disease.

In other words, your first sentence is true, but IRRELEVANT.

 

Well hammer away, you claimed that people are being "killed" because others aren't implementing complete mask mandates, but you have no data that shows that states with complete mask mandates consistently outperform states like FL with partial mandates combined with advisories.

Now, if the masks truly are the key, then, you aren't getting greater compliance with full mandates than we are with partial mandates and advisories.

Or, an additional possibility is that masks aren't the key here.

You want to claim that FL has killed people because they aren't following the strategy you favor. That is a huge charge, unsupported by the data, and rather than owning up to this, you are now claiming that you can't measure this via the data.

Rather than lecturing a Governor that is beating the performance of over half of the 50 states, why aren't folks on the Left calling him and asking him how he is protecting his people better than they are?

Why are you so passionately advocating the approach being used by states with the WORST death rates, not just in the Country, but in the ENTIRE world, over the approach of a governor that is producing so much better results?

Do you fear that you are so focused on the politics, and the fear that this Governor is going to whip Biden/Kamala like a rented mule in the 2024 election that you would lodge these reckless accusations just to score cheap political points on the backs of this terrible emergency that has gripped us for over a year now?

 

Whether there are "advisories" or not is NOT the issue.

The issue is what people are doing.

The FL governor isn't protecting anyone from getting COVID as far as I have ever heard.

Do YOU think he has?

 

Ok do tell which Governor is protecting anyone from getting COVID?

 

My governor certainly has.

He's constantly working to ensure that science is a key consideration in maintaining a state wide approach to defending against this pandemic.

I'm glad I live in WA.

But, the main point I was making is that it is individual action that has been the primary defense against the spread of COVID during this past year.

If people don't follow the well known defensive measures we have, then guess what? The people around them will be at higher risk.

Having a governor that preaches that defensive measures are unnecessary is a serious problem, obviously. That governor is assaulting the health of the citizens of his state. And, that threat crosses state lines by being a bad example to other states and by the spread caused by travel.