Fixing the gender pay gap...

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by Yant0s, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. Ritter

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    Women tend to work in the public sector where there is no competation since the jobs are government monopolies. Thus all salaries paid are artifical and based on fantasy. "Importance" is not a factor in deciding a given jobs salary since all jobs are important in their own way. What decides a salary is supply and demand and when a profession is monopolised, the supply always exceeds the demand, brining down the salaries.

    The studies on the "wage gap" are not fake and no one if claiming that to be the case. They just include intentionally infernal interpretations of the data to be able to put groups against each other in order to give Feminism a raison d'être and to justify the introduction of new useless government agencies and new taxes.

    The opposite of 'oppression' is 'competition' and how an ideology that claims to be against oppression also is against competition is beyond me. Without liberty, there can never be any equality.
     
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    Well, considering how bad contemporary education is performing, that is probably true. However, there are a lot of great teachers out there, but their talent and passion is haltered by dumb regulations and centralised curriculums. Additionally, teachers of today spend more time doing administration than teaching which is just dumb.
     
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    Imagine we have two jobs, let's - for the sake of simplicity - call them job a and job b. Job a offers a salary of $20 whereas job b offers $15. Job a hires 10 men and 5 women and job b hires 10 women and 5 men.

    Job a
    Salary: $20
    Employees: 10 men : 5 women

    Job b
    Salary: $15
    Employees:
    5 men : 10 women

    As we can see above, men and women are being paid the same salary for the same job. However, once we start to calculate the average earnings of the two genders, something interesting happens:

    Average male salary: 10x20 + 5x15/15= $18.33
    Average female salary: 5x20 + 10x15/15= $16.66
    Average salary disparity: $1.67

    Statistics are very use to use in your own favour. As seen above, even in a scenario where men and women are being paid the same for the job, looking at averages can make it seem as if they are not.
     
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    Compared to what?

    Here we go again. Calling people who don't own a college diploma unintelligent and unimportant. Wow. So extremist!

    Working a machine is more important than teaching in the "machine-working industry" and working a machine is actually a highly skilled labour that requires training many people of today are lacking since they are going to college instead. Thus, we are having a shortage of "machine workers" which results in higher salaries.Meanwhile, we are having trillions of people with college diplomas, causing inflation and as a results, we are now seeing lots of young, unemployed college/university graduates.

    No, no, no, no, no and no. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
     
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    Are you seriously jealous of your own husband? :laughing:

    Making it as a trader on Wall Street is not about drinking Pepsi in your air conditioned cubicle, I am sure. And if his wife was so unhappy with her working conditions and found the difficulty and responsibility of it as too high of a burden, why didn't she just find another job?

    Only the market can know the answer to this.

    Because he chose not to.

    I guess to you, anyone who didn't go to Harvard has never used their brain. That is a very crude and rather inappropriate statement from someone who is giving sensitivity training and prejudice workshops.

    Most people do not judge a person based on their gender, salary and career. Most people put the individual first. Not Feminists though.
     
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    OK so now I understand. Educating children who are our future deserves a life less pay than somebody who operates a machine. We just have different values. It’s just a coincidence that a woman dominated profession which is probably one of the most important in the world is low paid. I said that is changing. My daughter is a high school counselor and make six figures.
     
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    Duh! equal doesn’t mean the same! Are these men not equal because they take jobs that don’t require education and put themselves in danger Are you saying that men who are educated and men who take dangerous jobs are not equal?
     
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    My husband worked in Wall Street and was paid ten times what he made when was a state trooper ...and he was a man. In those days they didn’t hire women only as the secretaries. Now you look down on the trading floor and you see women and people of color
     
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    It literally does.

    They are per definition not equal since they are different.

    It depends. "Deserves" is a very contextual and subjective definition. I already explained this in a previous post above.

    Exactly!

    Nope. I already explained part of tge reason why above.

    Good for her.

    You tell me.
     
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    It's not a conspiracy against women. It's not a case of paying this guys in dangerous jobs a lot because they want too.

    If target never paid highly nobody would choice to apply for the job. It's basically supply and demand.
     
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    We have moved on from those sexist times, everything is equal now regarding opportunities.
     
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    "Equal doesn't mean the same" she says.

    Tell me more.

    No, I'm saying that there's not an inverse relationship between "education" and "danger".
     
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    Lesson 1....two nickels =one dime
    Ten pennies = one dime.....they are different but equal.
    Men and women are different but they certainly should have equal rights
     
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    You’re right..supply and demand .There is a new crisis. It seems in the past mainly women were teachers and nurses and secretaries. Thus they were able to be paid less because of sexism. But now women have all these new options and as a result there are shortages in teaching in nursing and guess what ? they are paying more. We have a tremendous demand for these professions and the supply is dwindling. Why do you suppose men did t go into these professions? Now you are seeing more and more men in teaching in nursing and secretaries are now called administrative assistance to attract men
     
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    Work less? Get paid less.
    More vacation? Get paid less.
    Work a lower paying job? Get paid less.
    Negotiate on your wages less? Get paid less.
    Make a different choice? Get paid less.

    Translation: Choice governs the difference in pay, of which is a natural occurrence based on the natural differences between men and women.
     
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    My husband made big bucks on Wall Street. Had great vacations.!!But what you didn’t understand is that women didn’t have those options and now they do and they’re taking advantage of them and it’s just killing insecure men.I remember looking down on the trading floor and never seeing a person of color and the only women were secretaries. It’s a whole different scene now and it didn’t happen in a vacuum
     
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    Women have for many decades had the same rights as men. Stop comparing the past to the present. You compare the past to the past, and the present to the present.

    It's only now you are seeing women being self-entitled and narcissistic because of feminism and #MeToo, both of which are cancerous.
     
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    Of course women have the option to work on Wall Street. It's just that they choose not to work 90 hours a week.

    No normal person looks at a group of people and starts evaluating the color and sexes of the people working there.

    You see non-white people and women as victims, that's why it matters to you.
     
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    Obviously you don’t know that much about Wall Street they don’t work 90 hours a week. My husband was home at 6 o’clock every night because the market closes early .Also you’re not aware that women are taking advantage of the option to work on Wall Street in huge numbers why Do you suppose that when you looked down on the trading floor years ago you only saw white man and now you see people of color and women? Do you think it just suddenly happened in a vacuum? I saw nonwhite people and women as victims in the past because they were denied the same rights that you were able to take for granted. But now that they have gained more rights you feel that you are the victim
     
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    Damn Libertarianism. Treating people as equals, no matter what they are. How disgusting, really.
    Damn Egalitarianism. Advocating for people to have equal rights and equal responsibility and accountability. It's like, the epitome of trash.

    If feminists truly wanted equality they'd raise men's issues the same as women's issues. Want an actual feminist? Christina Hoff Sommers.

    Instead, we get people like Jess Phillips laughing at men's issues.


    If this is the best "feminism" have to offer, I am not impressed.
     
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    Says the person trying to convince me they're a victim.
     
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    There is no pay gap.
    There is a work gap. Women don't want to put in equal effort, but want equal results
     
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    Yeah but they're paid less because anybody can do them. Frankly machines can do it.

    But it's okay I know I only said that because I secretly resent women and I'm frightened by a strong woman.

    I admit it. Lol.
     
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    We’re not victims anymore because we ignored men like you...or do you think women who were victims of discrimination counted on men like you? We empowered ourselves and got rights that were denied us...yes, that means victims of discrimination.
     
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    Says people in giant herds of ***** hats demanding rights they already have.
     

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