Fixing the gender pay gap...

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by Yant0s, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. vman12

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    He bragged about women letting him do it. Probably just wanted the money.

    There you go trying to convince me women are victims again.
     
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    Mmmm no.

    They came forward because they got money and mortgages paid to come forward.

    So basically different action for the same reason: to get money.

    Funny how they all disappeared right after Nov 8 huh?

    Like this? She's a convicted sex offender now. Lolz.

    I don't care what you hope.

     
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    My God! Get over it already. :laughing:
     
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    You know what, Renee? I feel you are very quick to judge
    and throw defamatory insults at posters to push them into a corner. A shaming tactic mostly used by insecure teenage girls. It is not very nice at all, Renee.

    Because rape did not exist before Trump decided to run for President. Wow. I guess all of those rape victims from BC up to year 2014 were not actually raped. Hopefully that is not what you are telling your workshop-participants...

    Wow.
     
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    What the heck are you trying to imply here? That bragging about "sexual conquests", potty languages, groping and walking into teenage girls' lockerrooms is somehow part of my value system?

    What made you think that?

    I am actually a Conservative prude when it comes to this matter and I really have no clue why you would assume that I regard the repulsive actions you described as virtious. :no:
     
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    I never gave a flying horse about that silly debacle to begin with, so I never had to get over it. :)

    This is just the rudest comment. The rudest comment.

    I would make sure to hunt him down and stomp on his head 'til he was united with the devil in hell.

    I would kill him. Seriously. Cold blood.

    I have defended women I know and respect from creeps in the past.

    The most precious person in my life right now is a little girl. I love her more than myself.
     
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  7. Ritter

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    I said that? :confused:

    I did not vote for Trump. I am not even American, for crying out loud!':laughing:
     
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    Another bleating female.
     
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    It does not matter what Trump did or did not do. You accused me of the most vicious acts imagineble and depicted my character in the most defamatory of ways.

    I am not Donald Trump.

    I have no idea who you thought I was. What you said was way beyond appropriate and way below the belt.
     
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    As a metaphore for what? As far as my interpretation can reach, it is impossible to read what you wrote in any other way but a literal one.

    I have noticed you are not too shy with telling people you hope they don't have daughters. A bit harsh on an anonymous platform where you have no idea to whom you are talking - Maybe they already have daughters?

    And, to make this all less personal, I do not think it is fair to claim Trump "assaults women" since there is no proof of that.

    Why thank you. Although I am not a father. That one girl is a family member. :)
     
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    Go get em tiger
     
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    Maybe they liked it
     
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    Well said!
     
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    O.M.G
     
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    BINGO!
     
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    Perhaps, but she sure as heck won't look like you. She's FAR more likely to look like a 30 year old socially conservative Asian, who has never given a moment's thought to politics or social justice.
     
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    Trump loves me because I'm an Eastern European supermodel.
     
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    Grabbing someone by their crotch without consent is not assault but rape. This is true even if the offender's name is Donald Trump or Bob Bobson. Bragging about "sexual conquests" is degenerated, disgusting and sad.

    Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

    If you are implying I would be part of "his base" you are wrong since I am not even American and not a particularly big fan of any of his policies. My stance on Trump is one that is Anti-Anti-Trump; I am against those who oppose him for the sake of opposing him and who present the most insane and out-of-touch criticisms (mostly personal attacks) instead of attacking his policies where there actually is plenty of subject matter. I am also sick of people who act as if Trump is the first ever President in the history of the world who has lied and not fulfilled 100% of his promises.

    I would also find it highly worrisome and appalling if a rape-apologist was a parent.

    Of course we have different values - You are a Feminist Progressive and I am a Libertarian Conservative. There is, indeed, very little overlapping in our value systems. However, there seems to be one thing that we do agree on and that thing is that it is not appropriate to walk into the women's lockerroom if you are a man.

    I never said that I would "believe her" nor did I say I would not "believe" any female who is not her. I only said I value her very highly and, obviously, care more about her than someone I do not even know. Thus, the shame is on you for knowingly distorting my position to make me appear as some kind of monster who wants rape to be legalised.

    PS. i suppose it is very convenient to shift a discussion about "the pay gap" to one of Donald Trump and rape when you are all out of arguments and feel you need a reason to frame your opponents as sex offenders to gain moral high ground and thereby hope your opponents view can be invalidated because "Who would trust a rapist?"

    Appalling!
     
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    I do not care about technicalities such as drawing out thin lines of sexual harassment and other such categories, unconsensual groping is borderline rape.

    I do not vote. I do not believe in voting.
     
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    Touching a woman's privates without consent is definitely rape.

    This does not even make any sense whatsoever.

    The line is very thin.

    And exactly that is why I do not vote - I do not think I have the right to think- and make decisions for others and I do not think others have the right to think- and make decisions for me. This is the inherent immorality upon which democracy is built, an idea I do not support.
     
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    In this context, we were speaking of a very specfic type of groping - The famous "Grab'er by the P-word"-kind of groping and I would say that is one that enters the grayzone between sexual assualt and rape.

    I suppose Trump has not been convincted because he has neither been prosecuted for- nor has he confessed doing it.

    So, when you are claiming to have the authority to speak about racism (as you so often do), you are actually Whitesplaining? When you talk about climate change your are Sapiensplaining and when you speak of the Patriarchy you are Vagsplaining?

    I really do not understand the logic here. Is one only allowed to speak about issues concering their "own group"?

    Well, call med prudish and old-fashioned, but I consider groping to be a horrendous act.

    Isn't this the Feminist narrative though? I have heard Feminists argue that complimenting a woman is equal to sexually assaulting her.

    No. I consider democracy to be a light form of dictatorship - The dictatorship of the majority. And it is true that I do not want "my values heard". I do not want to force my values onto people I do not know. I do not think I have that right. At the same time, I do not think others have the right to exercise that kind of control over me.

    I am a Libertarian, not a bloody Communist.
     
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    yes women lie all people lie. Especially when they're emotional wrecks over an election.

    We saw women lie about Justice Kavanaugh.

    So yes 20 women can lie. That's why we have police that investigate claims. if you want to do away with all of that just anyone that woman accuses is guilty automatically you're going to have a hard time shopping that out.

    We tried that it was the Salem witchcraft trials it's remembered as a blight on our history.

    The first off it was just guy talk and this kind of guy talk happens all the time if guys in your life tell you that it doesn't they're lying to you. Probably because they won't don't want to get a lecture about oppression women before you suffered.

    Second he said they let him if they let him it's not against their will.
    you think men should be all women even when they're lying. To me this is the absence of value. and it's the demand that you be treated like a goddess.

    This is why marriage is in decline. And heterosexual relationships are in decline. Men are opting out. So there won't be any more daughters. I hope you're happy with yourself.
    I don't know about Ritter but I don't feel shame. And the likes of you trying to shame me as in someone with no values is a complement.
     
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    Trump said that "they [women] let you do it when you are famous." Although such language is indeed distasteful, it is not a confession of any kind. It was said in a very specific context and in a very specific way which makes it pretty obvious it was a "joke" (again, rather distasteful, but as Polydectes points out, I too - being a man - can testify such things are joked about all the time).

    I do not know. All I do know is that I believe in innocent until proven guilty and not even Mueller could find anything on Trump, so one just has to assume he is clean.

    I am sure that is entirely true for where I am, but I am, at this moment, too lazy to look into my country's legislation and juridical technicalities.

    You mean kind of like you having no problem to tell me that I am a rape apologetic who wants grown men to walk into teenage girls' lockerrooms and telling me that I am a Trump supporter? You mean like you telling me I would want a loved one to be hurt? You mean like you telling me and others you hope we never have daughters? You mean like you telling Polydectes he is afraid of women?

    You should.

    I wonder why...:wierdface:

    Whatever you say.

    There is plenty of literature on this matter and had this not been a snarky comment of condescendingness, I would have recommended you some.


    I do not feel any shame either. Why should I? I just find it deeply offensive when Renee makes personal attacks on my character and personal attacks involving one of my family members That is below the belt of dignity for me.
     
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    She does that when she doesn't have an argument.

    People go on the defensive when you corner them.
     
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    Geez. Someone in here is really obsessed with Trump. Come on, be honest... Do you have a crush on him? :D

    No kidding. However, you are knowingly distorting what was being said and ignoring how and where it was being said. It was a harmless male-to-male-joke and I am sure women have their own ways of joking about men.

    ... Maybe it has something to do with him being a New Yorker, I don't know.

    Sleazebags are sleazebags, what can I say?

    I personally don' talk like that and I have already declared that I find such comments rather distasteful, but a joke is a joke. I think you would probably faint from all the "sexist jokes" if you ever dressed up as a man to spend a night out with a couple of construction workers (actually, it is probably even worse among your male collegues at the faculty). :D

    What does this even mean? :laughing:

    Well, if you do not mind me saying so, you do have your moments where you come out as an ultra-conservative school-mom. I mean just look at how much shock you are reacting with to Trump's "Progressive humour". ;)

    The problem with voting for an idea that you support is that it comes with a bunch of ideas that you do not support. When I go to McDonald's and order a Cheeseburger, I am not forced to pay for their entire menu. But, when voting for a candidate you have to pay for and endure all of the ideas you do not support even if the reason you voted for x was because you liked two of their ideas as compared to the other candidate who only had one idea you liked.
     
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