Florida armed bystander stops gunman at crowded back-to-school event at park

What?

 

I agree. They should also be legal. Repeal the NFA and the Hughes Amendment. Or wait for an on-topic case to go in front of the Supremes, especially after Trump is done with it.

Have you ever fired a fully automatic weapon? I have. It would not be my go-to weapon if killing as many people in as short amount of time as possible was my goal.

 

If you want to make an argument with it, than YOU go find them sources yourself.
Until than... my source stands.

Chicago proves that strict gun laws are possible while having the 2nd amendment as well.
Good job!

It only means that the US, with it's joke of a gun control, got a heck of a lot higher gun related fatalities.

Negative. If you claim the US always was more violent compared to other countries... you go source that.
So far you haven't. So you can prove your point.

Firearms are firearms. You can't buy new ones of one type, but still can buy new ones of an other type. Dunno why they all can not fall under the same rule.

 

Easily done.















the majority of weapons pictures above did not originate for sale in the united states, because they are not of a type that is available for sale to the general public in the united states. They came from other countries that are willing to sell heavy weaponry to the nation of Mexico without so much as a second thought.

Rocket-propelled grenades and grenade launchers, fully-automatic firearms, anti-aircraft cannons, anti-tank rifles, and a number of other weapons, none of which are sold in the united states.

And what good are those firearm-related restrictions ultimately doing? The city of Chicago has more violence and murders than the entire rest of the state of Illinois, so ultimately what good is coming about from the firearm-related restrictions?

Why do fatalities that can be attributed to firearms matter above all other fatalities? Explain such. Explain why firearm-related deaths are in need of being addressed more than motor vehicle-related deaths, or deaths attributed to any other cause. Why does the implement utilized matter more than the loss of life?

The point was proven by yourself, by deciding to claim that other nations have far lower levels of firearm-related incidents than the united states. Such would not have been claimed unless this was always the case.

Because politics, especially politics in the united states, are not intended to actually make sense.

 

I'm not seeing any sources. I produced the amount of weapons coming from the US.
And I recall that was 1000's a day

your point was about the 2nd amendment, and it seems perfectly fine to make entire area's gun free. It's just small now, and Chicago suffers just like Mexico. And I already sourced that the amount of violence still went down in Australia.

Why explain. It just a fact that it is. That's what matters.
I wouldnt even know why I should explain.
If you got an argument,.. than source and make it.

I sourced that claim ages ago.

So it's not 2nd amendment but just ill will.

 

Factually incorrect. What was presented on the part of yourself did nothing to actually prove the number of firearms being smuggled into the nation of Mexico. All the source did was make claims and speculate about facts that are not in evidence to support a political narrative, all for the purpose of trying to make the nation of Mexico look like a victim of the capitalist tendencies of the united states. Such is not the case, however.

The united state supreme court has stated, in absolute terms, that such a notion is false. Stop repeating it.

So what good are the firearm-related restrictions if the city of Chicago ultimately doing in their existence? What difference are they making by existing?

The violent trends of the nation of Australia were already on the downward slope before the firearm-related restrictions were implemented in the wake of Port Arthur. The firearm-related restrictions made no difference in the matter.

Then what is ultimately being stated by yourself is that murders committed with implements other than firearms simply do not matter, and hold no importance with regard to the loss of life experienced as such.

And the sources do nothing to support the claims of yourself.

That is what ultimately motivates firearm-related restrictions. It has nothing to do with public safety, it is all motivated by ill will, and has been such for more than fifty years now in the united states.

 

It comes from a report from a Mexican government controlled research institute who founds it's numbers on other international research reports. It's not some figure made up out of thin air, like you like to suggest now. Hence complained denied. While you got NOTHING about that anti-aircraft artillery.

You go tell that to Chicago and their gun free zone.

I already told you they suffer just like Mexico.

On the contrary. It's you who seems to have no problem with utterly fast amount of people being shot in the US. A heck of a lot more than in any other western nation. Life seems to mean nothing to you.

I sourced the US has an exceptionally high murder rate, especially with fire arms. It all comes down to the joke of a gun restriction laws in the US. You sure have not made any attempt to deny this with an argument founded on a source.

And you support that ill will. It's nothing but whining by you about against gun control, no matter how many lives get slaughtered and no matter how bad the US looks compared to the rest of the civilized western world.

 

The nation of Mexico only comments on the number of firearms they are certain come from the united states, not on those that could be traced to foreign nations.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-...aptured-from-mexican-drug-cartel_2040531.html

A new weapon seized in a series of raids on the Mexican drug cartels in Nuevo Casas Grandes, Chihuahua, shows a concerning addition to the arsenals of the powerful gangs.


Between April 15 and April 19, agents of the Mexican attorney general carried out raids on the cartels, under what they called operation “For The Safety Of Casas Grande.” They seized drugs, a high-caliber sniper rifle, thousands of rounds of ammunition, 19 luxury vehicles, and five tigers.


But the main catch of the operation wasn’t the drugs or the exotic animals. The biggest find was a shoulder-fired anti-air missile launcher.


Mexican authorities released a photo of the Redeye (infrared) man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS). They also released a photo of a cartel enforcer holding the weapon backwards.

This marks the first time that visual proof has been released of a cartel getting its hands on a MANPADS system, according to Dr. Robert J. Bunker, adjunct research professor at the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Studies Institute.


He said in an email interview that while the cartels have been increasingly getting hold of Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs), “MANPADS images have been virtually non-existent” in their arsenals.


Some of the cartels have also demonstrated their willingness to use such weapons. On May 1, 2015, members of the Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación in Jalisco State, Mexico, fired RPGs at two Mexican military helicopters and one of them “crashed in flames.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30217341/...anti-aircraft-machine-gun-nets-mexico-arrest/

MEXICO CITY — Mexican authorities arrested a woman guarding an arsenal that included the first anti-aircraft machine gun seized in Mexico, police said Tuesday, as the army announced the capture of an alleged top drug cartel lieutenant.


The arsenal belonged to a group linked to the powerful Beltran-Leyva drug cartel, federal police coordinator Gen. Rodolfo Cruz said. It also included ammunition, five rifles, a grenade and part of a grenade launcher.


Mexican drug cartels, battling a fierce crackdown by soldiers and federal police, have increasingly gotten hold of higher-powered weapons, even military-grade arms such as grenades and machine guns. That has left police — particularly state and municipal forces — grossly outgunned, and many officers have quit following attacks.


Gun found atop SUV
Cruz said the confiscated .50-caliber, anti-aircraft machine gun can fire 800 rounds per minute and is capable of penetrating armor from more than 5,000 feet away. Police on a routine patrol Monday found the gun fitted atop an SUV at a house in northern Sonora state.


Authorities did not release any other details about the gun, including its make, where it was manufactured, or where it was sold.

The city of Chicago has been losing one court battle after another with regard to its attempts at restricting legal firearms ownership and use. It knows full well that it cannot get away with what it is doing, it simply does not care.

Then the local restrictions are doing no good, and serving no purpose in existing. The city of Chicago is not doing its people any favors in attempting to legally restrict firearms. It should simply give up and stop wasting taxpayer money in trying to defend the indefensible and ineffective.

The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What ultimate, meaning difference does such make?

Such is continually claimed as if it should actually mean something. It ultimately does not. It would not matter if one hundred percent of all deaths in the united states could be directly attributed to firearms use, as it does not change anything.

Explain why it is cared by yourself how the united states looks when compared to other nations. Why does such matter? Why is it important? What difference does it make how other nations regard the united states? No matter what course of action it takes, the united states is always going to be hated and subject to ridicule.

In case it was not known by yourself, the united states was founded through the near genocidal elimination of the original indigenous people of the nation. Killing is ingrained into the very culture of the united states and can never be eliminated. The united states has, from the very beginning, been coming up with bigger, better, and greater ways of killing people in a more and more convenient manner. It is something that has been going on for centuries, and is not going to end simply because those who are ignorant of history and culture wish it to.

 

Doesn't put a dent in my argument. You're deflecting.

So how many of these come in a year, compared to 2000 weapons from the US a day?

As far as I know... it's still there.

I dunno why you talk about Chicago, when it's a national problem to begin with.
You're deflecting.

Ultimately it means the difference between life and death. And in the case of the US,.. a heck of a lot of death compared to other western civilized nations. As if you did not know by now.

It still shows the link between the type of firearm regulations and, and the amount of murders in the US.

Ultimately it means the difference between life and death. And in the case of the US,.. a heck of a lot of death compared to other western civilized nations. As if you did not know by now.

 

so many think they have bad parents, imagine if it was your parent that was that crazy of a gun owner that he would be set off by what someone said to him at a back to school event that he wanted to shoot other parents and their children

thank goodness he was stopped in his tracks

 

The argument being presented on the part of yourself is not dented on the basis of being intellectually flawed to begin with. What is being presented on the part of yourself has no actual basis in reality, it is nothing more than a myth.

There is no evidence, none whatsoever, that two thousand firearms are being smuggled into the nation of Mexico from the united states per day.

Even if there were irrefutable evidence of such, that would mean there is not only overwhelmingly substantial demand for firearms in the nation of Mexico, but overwhelming funding to warrant such. The cartels would literally have more funding than the government of Mexico itself. Where is it getting all of that money, that it can afford to pay for nearly three quarters of a million firearms to be smuggled into the country on a yearly basis? Even if it were nothing but Glock semi-automatic handguns, being bought at base market value, that would still be
well in excess of four hundred million dollars spent just on firearms, to say nothing of the fees necessary for the actual smuggling.

Which does not mean anything of actual substance or importance.

There are many cities and states outside the city of Chicago that does not experience anywhere near the amount of firearm-related violence, even though they do not have firearm-related restrictions anywhere near as strict as the city of Chicago.

Then it must actually be proven by yourself, in a conclusive manner, that those who are shot annually in the united states would still be alive if firearms were simply restricted to the extent that they are in the nation of Australia. It must actually be proven that these individuals, the majority of which committed suicide, would still be alive to this day, and would not have been killed through other means.

There are many cities and states that have very little in the way of firearm-related restrictions, and yet do not have anywhere near the number of firearm-related deaths as the city of Chicago.

The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What ultimate, meaningful difference is made by such? It is obvious that the false notion of "saving lives" is not actually in play in this discussion, as there are far more pressing matters worth addressing that would save far more lives than are ever lost from private, legal firearms ownership.

 

That Mexico and other central American countries are being flooded with American made weapons, illegally... is no myth. There is no reason to doubt the estimation made by Mexico.

They traced 10.000's of weapons back to the US. That's a massive amount of evidence. You can make a perfectly good estimation based on that. And you are in no position to doubt that.

A substantial demand by criminals. The US and it's citizens are selling 1000's of weapons a day to criminals... due to the joke of US gun restriction laws.

Deflecting

Deflecting again. I already sourced that the US as a whole presents the picture that a heck of a lot of people get shot and killed compared to other western countries.

If you got an argument, than you go prove this.

It's not a false notion, until you prove that.

 

Then if such is indeed the case, it is ultimately the fault of these countries for not doing a better job of controlling their own criminals, and instead turn a blind eye to the levels of crime being committed on a daily basis.

None of which amounts to actual evidence that every single day, two thousand firearms are being successfully smuggled into the nation of Mexico from the united states. Such is nothing more than speculation.

Beyond that particular matter, what is the total number of all firearms the nation of Mexico has recovered, not simply those suspected of coming from the united states?

Demand means nothing unless there is sufficient funding to warrant supply. The nation of Mexico can demand whatever it wants, but if it does not have the funding necessary, it will not be filled. So where is such a significant amount of funding coming from?

Only in the opinion of yourself.

The majority of which are suicides. Would you feel more at ease if these individuals were ending their own existence through the use of homemade chlorine gas, as is occurring in the nation of Japan? Would a significant shift from one method to another be acceptable to yourself?

The argument is quite simple. There is no comprehension on the part of yourself as to what you are even attempting to say.

There is no evidence that deaths attributed to matters other than firearms are of any importance or significance to yourself. If their deaths could not, in some manner, be attributed to firearms, they are ultimately of no use to yourself.