Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

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  1. sec

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    I've seen no Republican posters affixed to any walls or telephone pole. Do you have a picture of one?
     
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    Guess what?

    In 2019, the underlying cause of over 150,000 deaths was “Unintentional Injuries, however, other than their unintentional injuries, all died of one, and/or several complications.

    Note; To satisfy the Republicans, perhaps the CDC should stop reporting “Unintentional Injuries” as an underlying cause of death.

    Note; Collin Powell’s family members stated that he died of Covid19 complications. Question; Were they lying?
     
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    Yes, really. COVID does not kill.
     
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    Be careful as approx. 70 million American Adults have never learned how the immune system fight off viruses, and for them, “COVID does not kill” is a misinformation.

    Here’s another “misinformation”

    Trump; ”Children are almost immune to Covid19”

    And today, his below average intelligent supporters are still defending his statement.
     
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    Been a long day. Had to read it twice. LOL
     
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    You seem to not know how the immune system works.

    Covid is almost exclusively not a problem in children.
     
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    Do you know why Florida’s CHILDREN HOSPITALS and their staff were overwhelmed with Covid patients?

    Answer; Because according to Trump, “Children are almost immune to Covid19”

    Psst; Only an idiot would embrace/defend an idiotic claim.......I’m not too sure if you did.
     
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    The only hospitals that are overwhelmed with anything are hospitals that are mandating that one must be COVID vaxxed in order to work there, thus creating a shortage in available qualified healthcare workers.

    COVID is largely a non-issue in children.

    He could have worded it differently.
     
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    Already did in the part of my post you dishonestly edited out!
     
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    Fla is currently #8 in both deaths and cases per capita, which means 42 states are doing better than Fla.
     
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    I'm curious how up to date that information is.. Again you did not cite anything.
     
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    Which means any covid death not reported on the day they Die is NEVER counted in Fla
     
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    Those are updated daily numbers including deaths reported so far today.
    And I've posted the link at least a half a dozen times already.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    Total ACTIVE cases on Jan 19 was 8,856,240 2% of whom will die or 177,125, because vaccines are no help to the already infected by Tramp.
     
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    No. It appears Covid does what Covid does, despite what any politician mandates or doesn't.

    I do commend him on focusing on treatment and survivability. It's ridiculous that almost 2 years into this, you can ask the average person, "What do you do if you get it?", and most respond with "I don't know."

    Chicken noodle soup, after 2 years. Shameful.
     
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    The right thing to do if one gets infected is to immediately get an infusion of monoclonal antibodies, which are widely available now, free, and very effective.

    See this website. Scroll down and you'll find a link to enter your zip code and find the nearest infusion center:

    https://infusioncenter.org/infusion_resources/nica-monoclonal-antibody-therapies/

    It's mind-boggling that this is not more publicized. The CDC has failed Americans, by never engaging in a public health announcement and intense radio/newspaper campaign to diffuse this solution. It enrages me that the general public and even many doctors are barely aware of this excellent tool that saves lives and prevents organ damage in survivors. I think the CDC wrongly believes that if more emphasis is given to monoclonal antibodies, fewer people will get vaccinated. This is absurd because it robs the American public, vaccinated or not, of a very effective treatment.
     
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    They have shown, during their vaccine push, that not only are they willing to withhold advice on treatment, they are willing to attack ANYONE who dares suggest one, even if it's a medication prescribed to billions that won the Nobel Prize for medicine. They use the media, and coordinate with social media, to attack or censor ANYONE suggesting possible treatments. Not one word out a CDC, NIH, or WHO bureaucrat should be trusted.
     
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    And that fact is what reveals that the present effort by the medical industrial complex to inject children is criminal, a crime against humanity.
     
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    Trials for crimes against humanity for politicians, CEO's, and bureaucrats are what must be the end goal. If this doesn't occur, the lessons aren't learned, and civilization becomes more vulnerable.
     
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    Completely agreed, and that is what I like about Reiner Fuellmich, that is his goal.
     
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    I'll look him up. I'm very discouraged that I've seen almost no one with power, money, or influence guiding us down that path.
     
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    I agree that the CDC and WHO have engaged in blatant lies and misinformation, and I blamed them for that, repeatedly. Also, they have issued nonsensical and dangerous advice, and have never engaged in a TV/radio/newspaper campaign to inform the public of available options, of what constitutes correct mask use, etc. There is absolutely no doubt about it, and it is a shame. The CDC did this under the prior administration, and continued to do it under the current administration (in some ways, even worse).

    I'd leave the NIH out of it. It is a more purely scientific body that is involved in research grants. They don't really issue public advice. They were VERY instrumental in getting the Moderna vaccine up to speed and through phase III trials (the company had never performed a phase III trial before and the NIH came to help them), and they were very helpful to Operation Warp Speed.

    Now, an affiliated agency of the NIH, has as director and presidential advisor, Anthony Fauci, and yes, he also engaged in lies and misinformation.

    So I basically agree with what you said, except for one thing. If you are talking about "a medication prescribed to billions that won the Nobel Prize for medicine" and you're probably making reference to ivermectin (and indirectly to others like hydroxychloroquine), sorry, but this idea is incorrect. You can have a medication that is safe and effective for the intended indication for which it is FDA approved, but that very same medication can be unsafe and/or useless for another intended indication, for which it is not FDA approved. Safety is disease-specific, and FDA approval is also disease-specific, just like chemotherapy for leukemia is safe for those who have leukemia, but would kill those who don't.

    So, take hydroxychloroquine, for example. It is perfectly safe for patients with lupus, malaria, and rheumatoid arthritis. But it is NOT safe for patients with Covid-19 because hydroxychloroquine causes the prolongation of an interval in the heart called QTc, and Covid-19 infection also causes QTc prolongation; the two effects combined push the QTc over the edge (above 480ms) and this can cause a dangerous and fatal arrhythmia called Torsade de Pointes. Besides, numerous studies showed no action of HCQ for Covid-19 and even the initial proponent, Dr. Didier Raoult, took it back and acknowledged that it doesn't work for Covid-19.

    Ivermectin is not as unsafe for Covid-19 patients as hydroxychloroquine but the doses proposed are much higher than the doses to treat worms, so while in-vitro (in lab tubes) it seems to work against the SARS-CoV-2, in doses that could work in-vivo (for the live patient), the doses get to be excessive and toxic. Then, a study showing that it works got retracted because it had obviously fake data. More studies were done (dozens, actually) and they failed to find any efficacy in the live patient against Covid-19.

    Many interpret these findings as trying to prevent a cheap medication from getting diffused. This is not true. Better proof, dirt cheap dexamethasone was found to be very efficacious for Covid-19 cytokine storms, and now is part of all standard treatment protocols.

    The problem with HCQ and ivermectin is not that they are cheap. The problem is that they don't work and can be toxic for Covid-19 patients.

    There is no censorship against new treatments. Better proof, molnupiravir has finished phase III with favorable results (it seems to cut risk of hospitalizations and death by half), and has been the subject of an Emergency Use Authorization application with the FDA, and it will likely be authorized in the next few weeks. The US government has already placed a pre-order for millions of treatment courses, which will take effect in case it is authorized (I fully expect that it will be).

    If something DOES work like dexamethasone, monoclonal antibodies, and molnupiravir, we welcome it. If something DOESN'T work like HCQ and ivermectin, then we don't, and this has nothing to do with censorship, but rather, to do with properly run randomized controlled trials to gauge a drug's efficacy or lack thereof.

    You can't trust what the WHO, Fauci, or the CDC tell you (at times; they are not wrong all the time) but you CAN trust the international scientific community. We've been busy trying to find new solutions, but solutions that do work; not wild goose chases like HCQ and ivermectin.
     
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    Which large blue states are higher than them? Hmmmmm? And considering FL is one of the oldest states, not bad. And we didn’t have extended lock downs or destroy our economy like other large blue states. And the number of NYers moving down here is pretty impressive. Care to guess how many Floridians have been moving to NY? :)

    So, in the end, not bad at all.
     
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    Florida Court Reinstates Governor's Ban On Masking Mandates In Schools
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    “There is no evidence to support the argument that forced-masking in schools had any impact on COVID case rates, pediatric or overall,”

    The upper Court finds that Leon County Circuit Judge John Cooper is somewhat of a lunkhead who was near Biden level in his bad comedy of screw ups:
    1. "The case never should have gone to trial because the plaintiffs did not have standing. The plaintiffs, a group of parents and students, could not sue to protect the institutional authority of local school districts and the Florida Department of Health. “Those entities alone must advance their own institutional rights.”
    2. The plaintiffs were not harmed by DeSantis’ order because the order took no action against them. In fact, all the governor did was direct other state agencies to protect parental rights.
    3. The plaintiffs’ claim of receiving injury because they were exposed to COVID-19 by unmasked students was not “concrete” or “palpable” enough to warrant judicial intervention in public health policy.
    4. Cooper invented his own legal theory to rule against the governor’s school mask policy by saying DeSantis somehow violated the Parents’ Bill of Rights by giving parents more rights.
    Once again, we were right about everything.
     
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