Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

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  1. ToughTalk

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    What if people were recovering slower than previous...how would you know that if you are not tracking recovery? But w/e. Could care less to be honest. California is a **** hole and I hope it stays that way at least for the next few years or so.
     
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    If you don't get sick, then its rolling off

    I been told the goal is herd immunity
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People do get sick - and there is no such thing as herd immunity from a product that does not significantly reduce transmission. Unfortunately - Fauci and the Blue Clown Show have been lying to you.
     
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    You think that half of the people in California who tested positive since March 2020 still test positive?
     
  5. ToughTalk

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    I'm asking wtf is going on with that number as evident by my highlighting it and going wtf?
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    Are you referring to vaccination?

    Study after study demonstrate the major benefit of being vaccinated.

    Just lately, we're seeing the advantage of getting a booster, such as this one that involved about 1.5 million people, divided evenly between those who got a booster and those who did not:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Study after study demonstrates that the Vax does not prevent transmission .. which is what the conversation is about. Not whether or not the Vax has some other benefits .. such as reducing the severity of illness.
     
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    I cited the Lancet as evidence of the major advantage of getting a booster.

    So, cite the study you give the most credence for demonstrating that the FDA, CDC, WHO, NAIAD and the rest are wrong.
     
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    1) You claimed something that did not relate to transmission - the topic .. and posted a study on that unrelated claim - What is your problem? You jumped into a conversation about Transmission .. not one on the benefits of the vax in relation to symptoms. . and this is the second time now you have been told this .. so What is your problem today as normally you do not exhibit this lack of ability to understand what you are reading.

    2) Then you claim I stated the FDA, CDC, WHO was wrong about something - when I did not -- but even if I had I would not know as you make no mention of what the heck on earth you are talking about. What is your problem -- you are seriously having a bad day..

    What on earth are you talking about :bonk::bonk:
     
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    Getting COVID does relate to being able to transmit the disease.
     
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    Worldometer uses algorithms to extract data from particular spreadsheets on a website; it's all automatically extracted from spreadsheet cells on the web page. The Californian website does not publish recovered case numbers. Worldometer uses algorithm similar to :
    Active cases (day (n+1)) = Active cases (day n) + new cases (day (n+1)) - deaths (day (n+1)) - recovered cases (day (n+1)).

    Since for California recovered cases (every day) = 0, Active cases (n+1) always increases
     
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    Never said it didn't .. what is it you are trying to say ?

    What I have said is this - There is no significant difference in "getting covid" or "Transmitting Covid" between vaxed and unvaxed individuals.

    Do you have something to say that relates to my claim ? ..
     
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    As of November 8, 2021, the state with the highest rate of COVID-19 cases was North Dakota followed by Alaska. Over 46 million cases have been reported across the United States, with the states of California, Texas, and Florida reporting the highest numbers of infections.
     
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    California and Flordia have handled COVID drastically different. So can you account for the constant?
     
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    Yes, I gave you a major paper published by Lancet that demonstrates that there is a huge difference between those taking boosters and those not taking boosters.

    And, there are plenty of studies that show that vaccination has a significant impact on contracting COVID, on the lowering of seriousness of cases where a vaccinated individual still contracts COVID, and on communicability.

    US science based medicine is MAJORLY supportive of individuals getting vaccinated by one of the several vaccines.
     
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    You posted a paper - but did not cite anything from that paper .. nor mention anything from that paper .. that relates to transmission.

    you now claim plenty of studies .. impact on contracting covid .. While that is nice .. the CDC begs to differ .. as of 2-3 months ago .. did you not get the memo .. given you are familiar with all these studies ?

    Do tell .. tell me how the Vax has fared with respect to contracting and transmitting covid ? Had one fellow suggest .. First letter "G" that the rate of contraction between vaxed and unvaxed was 700% difference 7-1 ..

    While he had no clue what the actual number was .. but I Do .. well . least the number the CDC used from one of the Major Studies .. and one of the most reputable thus far == how bout you .. what your sources saying .. tell me about the chances of getting covid from a vaxed vrs unvaxed individual .. pick any of the numerous studies you claim have assessed.

    Seems you have forgotten who you are talking to ... very snippity and churt . .. put up mate .. chop chop .. I have my numbers handy ..
     
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    Most recently on this thread I've posted one serious recently published study concerning booster efficacy. And, lets remember that the Pfizer booster is exactly the same as the first and second doses of Pfizer vaccine - there is no difference in formulation in any of these vaccines.

    Here's an on vaccination and transmission:
    https://www.healthline.com/health-n...t-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated

    If you want to post studies that claim that vaccination does NOT slow transmission, go for it.

    As always, try to consider sites that are competitive in terms of science and reliability with the FDA, CDC, WHO, NAIAD.
     
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    Why are you posting links ..without posting info from that link .... What is the difference in transmission .. as per the above link .. what is "more likely" ? and is it significant ?

    Here is what the CDC stated a few months ago as opposed to "Healthline.com"
    Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated: study
    https://www.wric.com/health/coronav...riant-within-household-as-unvaccinated-study/
    From Nature on the Same Study
    So there is your "Less likely" a significant difference of ZERO in the grand Scheme of things .. this is not a vaccine . it is a treatment .. doesn't even come close to stopping Transmission .. which is what a vax is supposed to do .. job # .. doesn't confer long term immunity .. like a real vaccine .. Very little protection against infection to begin with .. and that protection dwindles to nothing in 3 months.

    Notice how I posted information from my links which backed up my claim .. and completely destroyed your claim .... and that of your link "More Likely" turning out to be F-All difference .. this Vax is a joke. And there are other ways to prevent illness .. some likely just as good .. but yet to have quantified this.
     
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    Indeed. We'll have to see what happens next month.
     
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    Covid ends next month?
     
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    Hospitalization and death is always reported. Sorry the clever nickname you came up with doesn't fit. How about Land-of-the-freeSantis!
     
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    Yeah keep repeating the lie. Desantis can’t stop cases or deaths from being reported, sorry.

    You’re just so upset that FL cases have dropped significantly while they’re rising in blue states. How is that possible? Aren’t Democrat governors stopping the spread by using superior policy and lockdowns? NO??! Thought so. There’s a reason people are flocking to live here from NY while no one is moving to NY from FL. Our economy wasn’t destroyed while NY and CA suffered horribly. And so far, more people really haven’t died here either. I’ll take that as a huge win. Just as safe, far more freedom but far better economically. Win win win.
     
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