Florida passed new gun laws

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  1. Ronstar

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/07/politics/florida-rick-scott-gun-bill/index.html

    -raises minimum age to buy any gun, to 21.

    -bans purchase, sale, or possession of bump stocks.

    -3-day waiting period to buy a gun.

    -Give law enforcement more authority to seize weapons and ammunition from those deemed mentally unfit or otherwise a threat

    -Provide additional funding for armed school resource officers and mental health services.



    I don't support the age limit. As long as you are of sound, mature mind, and safe to handle a firearm, and trained to handle a gun, you should have such right at age 18.

    Everything else I am fine with. I want a ban on magazines over 10 rounds and fingerprint check for all gun owners.
     
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    I'm good with the funding for armed resource officers and mental health services. More resources needs to be injected into properly hardening schools against attacks.

    Couldn't care less about bump stocks. They're a range toy with no real world application, the Vegas attack notwithstanding.

    Waiting periods kill innocent people and have no place in a free society. A right delayed is a right denied, period.

    Capacity restrictions on mags are pure stupidity.
     
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    In my opinion, 18 years old should be able to buy a revolver for self defense, single or double barrel long gun for hunting and target shooting, or any non-removable magazine .22 for plunking cans. I'm ok with a 3 day waiting period. Think there should be more "due process" before being banned from a firearm as I have already seen that grossed misused and abused.

    Vehemently support trained, qualified armed security - ideally police - in EVERY public school - no exceptions - full time.
     
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    How many people could an 18 year old kill with six revolvers? What good is a 3 day waiting period? It's not been shown to have any impact on crime. It also makes no sense for anyone that already owns a gun.
     
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    Not as many as with 30 round magazines and a long gun for many reasons:
    1. Long gun has much greater killing power due to velocity
    2. It is easier to quick aim a long gun because its longer (a longer pointer)
    3. Managing 6 revolvers - if heavy firepower - would be no easy trick with delays in between grabbing one after another out of a bag or pockets. When the 6 revolvers are empty they are empty. The long gun is just putting in another magazine. Few people can speed load a revolver quickly. Almost anyone can quickly replace magazines - so it is not 30 magazine rounds versus 36 pistol bullets, but 60, 90, 120, 150, 180 magazine high velocity rounds versus 36 low velocity pistol rounds.
    4. You over estimate the rationality and skill of most mass shooters to be able to accurately shoot and handle 6 different revolvers.

    A 3 day waiting period could be limited to certain types of firearms. I can see "quick, I'm going hunting with some pals" needing a rifle or shotgun and "quick, I need a big caliber revolver" or "pump shotgun" for defense. But I don't see a "quick, I need an AR10 with ten 30 round magazines and 1000 rounds of ammo" as anything but suspect. Probably need to do more than the 1 minute phone call check on that guy. A 3 day checking out that guy would be better.

    How would you know if a person already owned a gun without gun registration?
     
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    Correction, don't agree on 10 round magazine limit personally, but am not going to get hysterical if that happens - and I have a LOT of high capacity magazines. No big deal to me. I have them but don't really need or use them.
     
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    The point is that you're establishing some minimum number of victims in a mass shooting as acceptable, as long as the right guns are used.

    Has any mass shooter ever undertaken their tragic actions within 3 days of buying a gun? There is no "three day checking out". NICS is instant. The waiting period is just that, and has never been shown to have an impact on the homicide rate.

    Does your favorite shop know if you own guns already?

    I'm not in favor of allowing restrictions on my rights that aren't Constitutional, effective, enforceable or would be enforced.
     
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    you want the 10 round ban because you cannot own more than a ten round magazine in NYC. tell us Ron, if the government has the power to limit magazines to 10 rounds, it has the power to limit everyone to 4 rounds or 2 rounds/

    why do you want to handicap honest citizens in gun fights with criminals

    why do you think cops' lives are more valuable than other citizens
     
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    why cannot you answer easy and pertinent questions ?????

    if you think the government has the proper power to limit honest citizens to 10 rounds, you obviously believe the government can limit citizens to 1 shot weapons.
     
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    caused you ask stupid-ass, flamebait strawman questions like:

    "why do you want to handicap honest citizens in gun fights with criminals?

    why do you think cops' lives are more valuable than other citizens?"
     
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    well that is clearly what you support. even you have to realize that if someone is willing to break the law concerning being a felon in possession of a firearm, they aren't going to obey a magazine limit
    so you clearly want honest citizens to be handicapped
     
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    all i care about is that they can't buy them.
     
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    well they cannot buy the guns legally to put the magazines in and that hasn't worked

    do you deny that magazine bans are going to limit what lawful people can do more than criminals

    and why is TEN the magic number

    Lets have this law-civilian law enforcement in a city or state are limited to firearms that other civilians can own

    same with magazines
     
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    if we severely limit the availability of 30-round magazines, it will make the lives of criminals much harder.
     
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    @Turtledude must really grind your gears that Florida is strengthening gun laws.

    LOL!!!!! :)
     
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    how so? it will certainly make the lives of competitive shooters and home defenders harder. which of course is your desire. BTW Ron I have at least a hundred 30 round magazines for ARs most of us serious users have been stocking up. with 3D printers, construction of these things are going to get much easier

    you have never answered this pertinent question

    WHY TEN ROUNDS

    and if you think the government can set limits-what's to stop a 1 round limit

    I understand you either don't understand or respect the second amendment. You think peoples' rights are whatever congress or state government feels like at the time
     
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    not at all, that will probably help the GOP in the Midterm elections. Their stupid gun ban lasted 15 minutes.
     
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    that sort of attitude is what gun banners are banking on
     
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    100 thirty round magazines huh?

    sounds like your preparing for something, something big. Dare I ask what?

    #SeeSomethingSaySomething
     
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    Well, seeing as how a full 30 round magazine weighs about a pound, he isn't planning on toting them anywhere.
     
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    Banning revolvers/hand guns has been proven to work.
     
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    we should also ban magazines larger than 10 rounds
     
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    See "Virginia Tech" and "Parkland".
     

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