Florida Teachers Can Now Legally Carry Firearms in Schools

You can claim it all day long, but cannot back it up with law and that what counts, not a misinformed opinion..

Not at all, a team clearing a building has no idea who they might come across as such they are trained to disarm anyone they find armed and if and only if that person presents a clear and present danger are they or anyone else allowed by law to shoot that person.

Apparently by what you are posting you really haven't done nearly enough research and believe too much of what you see on TV.

 

Your claims are wrong, Well Bonded, and since you must have the last (wrong) word, go right ahead.

 

Did anyone say you had to?
Why should your decision to not have the means to defend your kids apply to everyone else?

No.... This is why the faculty/staff/administration -carry- the guns. Where is your common sense?

 

Really, in the real world this how it works.

In March they began passing along the new tactics to each of Peoria's 235 active officers. "Columbine was a wakeup call," Adams says.

The contact team forms a diamond, with a point, two flanks, and a rear guard handling radio communications. The team enters the building and moves through it as quickly as possible; team members maintain their relative positions so that they can see and hear each other. In a large building a second team may go in, either to help track down the shooters or to rescue bystanders and the wounded.

Adams says that gunmen are less likely to fire at innocent bystanders if they are shooting at pursuing police officers. "We train them to move to the sound of gunfire," he says. "Shooting scenes are very chaotic and stressful. You experience sensory overload. Every time you hear a gunshot, assume someone has been wounded. Try to take ground, and isolate the shooter. If the shooter decides to commit suicide by police, we'll oblige. The person making the decision on how it will end is the bad guy. We're just reacting." Adams says, however, that "deadly force imperatives" have not changed for the Peoria police. "We teach that you should shoot what you know, not what you think you know. That man with a gun in his hand who steps out of a doorway may be a plainclothes police officer or a school security guard. Or maybe a teacher who brought a gun to school."

 

Regardless of whether civilian or LE, the importance of basic gun safety rules is still important; positive ID of the target and knowing where your bullets will end their journey.
Lots of myths and misinformation surrounding the arming of teachers. Just as there are those that project blood running in school halls, the same ones decry the image of teachers being enlisted to hunt down, playing a swat role, an active shooter, when advocates for arming teachers are suggesting teachers not be deprived of their right to defend themselves and the children in their classrooms rather than schools being gun free slaughter zones. Many mass shooters intent on making some dimented statement by their act seek low risk places to reek havoc (presence of armed individuals is a deterrent), often breaking off their attack when encountering armed resistance weather hit by gunfire or not.
I do have some concerns. Just as most GCAs are singularly focused on removing firearms as the cure for armed crime, I worry, school officials, will stop thinking about school security after teachers are allowed to carry. There are quite a number of elements beyond allowing carry by teachers and staff that can be employed for both preventative and active measures of security. For instance, just as schools have alarms, procedures, and conduct fire drills, consideration should be given to the same for active shooter situations. Active shooter alarms, emergency notifications, hardened class room doors, hardened hall door barriers, procedures for bunkering in safe zones or classrooms, and a host of other tactics should be considered in an overall security plan. Any school, known have a muti layer security plan, armed staff, etc. will automatically be seen as a difficult target...a preventive measure as a by-product of it’s security features and preparative measures. Much of what is suggested doesn’t require huge financial investment, just preparation, planning, drill, and corrdination.
Allowing teachers and staff to carry is a first, important step in keeping schools safe, but it shouldn’t be the last step. I give similar advise to home owners with families...just having a gun is a first step, having a plan, multiple layers of security, etc. is also important.

 

Here's a good one for you, in Parkland a group of students fled into a library seeking shelter, when they should have running, hit the exit doors and got out of the school, only problem the doors to the library could not be locked to prevent entry from the hallway, Cruz killed 3 in there.

Well one might say, that's dumb, but it's required by code.

NFPA 101 the Life Safety Code requires the door(s) of all means of egress remain unlocked.

 

That's a great idea....until some kid gets hold of a teachers gun that has been left unsupervised or knocked down and taken away from them. Yeah, real smart on Florida's behalf. How about employing a couple of resource officers instead?? Nah...that makes too much sense.

 

Considering a fair number of states already allow CC by teachers, where has that happened?
Yep, just a variation of the ‘blood will run in the streets’ prediction. Still waiting...waiting...

 

Most likely because a vast majority of teachers don't carry in the school, recognizing the inherent dangers and responsibilities. What's wrong with hiring resource officers?

 

Despite extensive efforts at researching the matter, there is not so much as even a single example of such a course of action occurring in even a single state where concealed carry at facilities of learning is legally allowed, in all the years that such has been legal. Therefore the above is nothing more than meaningless hypothesis and fear mongering for no purpose other than fear mongering.

 

Beyond the fact that there are not enough resource officers to cover every single school in the state? Beyond the fact resources officers cannot be present in every single classroom, unlike the educators who actually work in the classrooms?

 

Someone else who didn't read the title of the thread, "Florida Teachers Can Now Legally Carry Firearms in Schools."

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School personal under the statute are forbidden to leave a firearm unsupervised, it must be in their personal possession at all times.

Really are you serious, do you understand what many SRO's in urban areas actually are?

In Parkland at MSD the SRO and the school security guy fled the school to a safe location, so employing a couple more SRO would do nothing more than require the school buy more golf carts, so they can all flee to safe locations while the innocents inside the school are being executed.

What few people understand and it appears you do not as well is, SRO's in many urban areas are LEO's who can no longer make it on the street, they are commonly LEO's who are getting close to retirement, have problems either personally (divorced and need a place to live) or are mentally or physically challenged, which can make them a danger to the public, so the department pigeonholes them into schools where their chances of doing further damage is supposed to be minimized... it doesn't always work out that way.

In Broward which is where Parkland is located SRO's have been disciplined or lost their jobs for fleeing the scene, sleeping on the job, working as teacher assistants and diddling children, both male and female children, in their department provided vehicles.

Hardly the kind of people parents want or need to be protecting their children.

Sorry, I'll take a dedicated person who is willing to go through the all the hoops to become a Guardian and actually wants to protect children while at school and take a bullet if needed... if one is going to get killed, one might as well take out the shooter in the process.

And the best part of having armed teachers as well as other school personal is it makes a school a non-gun free zone and that alone lowers the risk of it becoming a target for a mass shooter, who by the idea of getting killed before completing his mission, might just pick a softer target, preventing a school shooting before it ever happens.

 

Is that your professional opinion?

 

Ask Parkland.

 

In Florida prior to the law being passed teachers and anyone else other than a LEO could not bring a firearm into the building so they couldn't carry.

This law precluded the schools from hiring armed security such as banks, courthouses and anti-gun politicians do.

In many Florida counties including where I live Hendry County local law enforcement got around that prohibition by training and qualifying school personal, who upon successfully completing the training and other requirements where then Deputized, allowing them to bring firearms into the schools, which was appreciated by a majority of parents at least in this county.

 

Anti-gun politicians too? What politician would want to be a hired gun in the first place?

 

They hire the guards not carry guns themselves.

 

On the very day of this posting in south Florida, a train police officer, somehow drop his handgun in a local supermarket resulting in shooting a woman shopper in the check out line.

Going to be interesting to see how long it will be before all those armed an at best half train teachers will be shooting and even killing innocent children.

 

Do you want a box of tissues to go with your massive overreaction or are you good?

 

Law enforcement officers are shielded from the consequences of such actions by the legal concept of qualified immunity. Educators and other private citizens are not.

That matter aside, if even law enforcement officers do not have appropriate levels of training and qualifications to be carrying firearms while going about their daily routines, then it is wholly unreasonable to be demanding that private citizens be required to obtain even higher levels of training and qualification, and do so at their own expense, before they are legally able to carry or otherwise own a firearm.

 

Not surprising giving the minimal firearm training most road patrol officers receive.

I guess you are too lazy to dig into the Guardian training requirements or you would have never posted something that dumb.

 

Actually the training required for Florida's Guardian program goes well beyond standard officer firearms training.

 

Only when acting in course and scope of duty. He was on a "frolic" (employment law term for a detour for a personal errand while on the job which takes you off the job for liability purposes) at the grocery store, not acting in course and scope. Negligence etc can apply to him in this case.

 

Teachers all across the US have been armed for some time now - where has this happened?

 

LOL once more in florida again a teacher and law enforcement person was showing his firearm to a classroom a year of so ago and somehow ended up discharging it into the ceiling and a bullet ricochet into a student doing some minor harm and then in roughly the same time frame a teacher in florida also discharge a gun through a classroom window for no known reason.

Here is a more complete list.

https://giffords.org/2019/05/every-incident-of-mishandled-guns-in-schools/