Flynn to remove guilty plea

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Scrap the FBI without replacement and don't have a Federal policing agency - as the founders intended.

    The FBI is a surprisingly recent development, was founded under the similarly disastrous President Teddy Roosevelt in 1908, a man known for strong executive overreach and expansion of Federal powers generally.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The government makes great effort to obscure the truth about many things. Maybe especially the DOJ obscures the truth.

    Russiagate was a scam brought by the Deep State.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    He does not have enough dignity or honesty to do that.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Often, but there are exceptions to every rule.
     
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    Yeah, cause all those agencies that proved Russia meddled was a "deep state".

    When the rigth cant defend something, they make up some conspiracy theory. The last 4 years have been like an episode of X-Files
     
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  6. The Mello Guy

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    Again, the DOJ and the judge said the 302s were not altered and that Flynn wasn’t entrapped
     
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    I've heard his attorney several times and think he has a good chance for a reversal and his case tossed out of court as Comey may be entering one.
     
  8. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Did you also hear the DOJ and the judge say the lawyer is making up nonsense? That the 302 wasn’t altered and that Flynn definitely lied?
     
  9. BuckyBadger

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    Dismissal, reversal, reassign it and let things go until Barr and Durham release all the facts and get to the bottom of the hoax and all the lying the FBI and the DOJ did.
     
  10. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nobody including Mueller has proved Russia "meddled". Buying several hundred thousand dollars on Facebook ads is not really meddling in the real sense of the word. Certainly nothing like the meddling we've done all around the globe for decades. Nothing like the meddling we did in installing Yeltsin.
     
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    So your position is “we did it, so its OK” ?

    Trump has tried to solicit foreign help in our elections 2 times now. Thats not really up for debate. But would you be OK if this was Hillary ?

    Be honest
     
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    I am being honest, and I favor conviction of Trump in the Senate.

    No, we did it and it's NOT OK. We did it and it's illegal and immoral, and we've done it many times.

    That said, the notion that Russia actually caused people to vote for Trump is absurd. Continuing to make the claim proves nothing. If Mueller could have actually proved it, he would have.
     
  13. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Are you claiming the DOJ is withholding evidence from Flynn and the judge?
     
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    Where’s the proof we installed yeltsin
     
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    All due respect but every agency tasked with determining if the russians affected the election said they did. Thats been prove, and not really up for debate. They did this thru creating false narrative, and say-ops using social media. But not one of them was tasked with determining at what level, and how many votes were actually changed because thats an impossible task based on the tactics used.

    This same agencies are currently saying that they are at it again with the same methods in the dem primaries.
     
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    A detailed examination of history, including Project Hammer.
     
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    It's very much up for debate. You might not be aware of it, but various federal agencies have lied about WMD in Iraq, TWA800, 9/11, the Afghanistan and Vietnam wars, the role of UFO's and aliens and many other things.

    Why should I believe they are suddenly telling the truth about how Russia stole Hillary's election? It's nonsense. It is a lie told by professional liars.

    Feel free to buy into it sir, I will take a pass.
     
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    So all 8 of the agencies tasked with investigating this conspired together ?
     
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    Poor Flynn. And to think he was home free once.
     
  20. The Mello Guy

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    Seems selective. Why frame Russia? Why would intel heads from 2 admins say the same thing? What’s the purpose? We don’t want war, that much is obvious
     
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    It does appear that way, yes.
     
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    Because I do not work in those inner circles of government, I don't know why frame Russia. I suppose they frame Russia because they need a "bad guy", a bogey man from which they can pretend to defend us.

    They've been blaming Russia for everything bad that happens for a long time, although since 2001 the blame has been somewhat shifted to muslims.
     
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    ahhh, yet another conspiracy theorist......

    so the difference between facts and theory’s is your “opinion” now.......ok, got it
     
  24. Eleuthera

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    We are all conspiracy theorists Grape. All that separates us is which theories we embrace. Many, like you, embrace official conspiracy theories and ask no questions. Others, like me, are skeptical of official conspiracy theories because so many times the facts prove them to be inaccurate theories.
     
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    Whatever helps you sleep at night
     

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