For God's Sake.

Discussion in 'Member Casual Chat' started by Just_a_Citizen, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    For God's sake, you'd think those who are bemoaning a "Lack of Performance" by Trump, expected the Earth & Stars to be moved by him, 24 hours after the election!

    Yes, he made many campaign promises with unrealistic timetables.

    He knows nothing of political process... He's a Newb.

    Truth be told, had he gone the route to accomplish the unrealistic timetables he'd presented, he'd be the Tyranical Despot he's being made out to be by the Left...

    I didn't vote for the man, but for God's sake, at least let him get his legs.
     
    Sharpie likes this.
  2. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Considering he's been hobbled by the disgusting media and the embittered political classes since the day he was inaugurated, I think he's doing very well.
     
  3. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I can't disagree. I'd roll that time back to his winning the nomination TBH.
     
  4. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Good point - and you're one who didn't vote for him? As I said yesterday - I firmly believe that if there were to be another election, his vote would be even more than it was A because he's exceeding expectations, and B he's doing exactly what he said he'd do, and exposing a self-serving, mischievous, and hostile press.
     
  5. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,979
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It took him less than a month to start a new nuclear arms race, incite China to fly around their nuclear bombers, and to alienate and frighten if not terrify most of our allies. He sought to evade protections against a religious test, he continues to lie and lie and lie, and he continues his praise of despots, including the defense of cold-blooded murder.

    He has already compromised the US as the leader of the free world. Allies are looking elsewhere and don't trust us anymore. He gives potential enemies reason for concern, if not alarm, due to his erratic behavior. He could even give cause for an enemy to launch a first nuclear strike out of fear.

    Based on his words, his views, his continuing efforts to undermine all forms of oversight, his attacks on free speech and the free press, his use of Presidential power for personal retribution, and his potentially treasonous ties to Russia, the last thing we want is for him to "get his legs".

    He never should have been elected and he has to be stopped before he gets us all killed.
     
    Gateman_Wen likes this.
  6. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Chinese thing was ramping up far before Trump was even a candidate.

    Every POTUS has supported a Despot, ( or 6).

    Many of our allies actually are more at ease knowing we have their back.... Again...

    The last sentence, mirrors nearly exactly what many R's said 8 years ago.

    Partisanism, it's a great, & short minded thing.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yeah, I grabbed me some Johnson.
     
    The Mandela Effect likes this.
  7. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,874
    Likes Received:
    4,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don’t think anyone is bemoaning a lack of performance, just a bad performance. He did indeed make unrealistic (and inconsistent) promises, has tried to push some things through too quickly and push changes too hard, often apparently ignoring expert advice against that.

    The other problem is that lack of honesty, getting caught up in irrelevant lies like the inauguration attendance and dismissing literally any difficult challenge or questions as “fake news” rather than explaining anything and certainly rather than conceding any kind of miscalculations or mistakes. Politics has obviously always been full of spin and false information but the Trump administration seems to be taking it much further, much more blatant and with much less purpose.

    All of this has to be frustrating for his supporters and makes things far too easy for his political opponents. And while there is a relevant point about it being very early in his time in office, I don’t see signs of anything changing in the foreseeable future.
     
  8. Treebeard

    Treebeard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2016
    Messages:
    52
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    8
    IMO, he probably would get even more votes if the election were held now, but it's as much because he's NOT doing exactly what he said he'd do in some cases, as it is the cases where he is doing what he said he'd do .
     
    Just_a_Citizen likes this.
  9. Mark Browning

    Mark Browning New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2017
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump was elected on a populist platform, but it will be hard to get programs like infrastructure, jobs, through a conservative Congress. Trump may abandon all that and just concentrate on things that can get through like tax cuts and deregulation, but that's the same as George Bush would have done.
     
  10. VietVet

    VietVet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2017
    Messages:
    4,198
    Likes Received:
    4,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He has surrounded himself with corrupt and/or incompetent people:
    Sessions
    DeVos
    Price
    Pruitt
    Perry,.......
    He has made ZERO attempts to heal the country - instead he holds "rallies" where only Trump Chumps are admitted
    He attacks the valid media and quotes from fake media like the Enquirer and Breitbart and the Washington Times which are totally disreputable.
    He has shown by his tweets that he is less mature than a catty high school cheerleader.
    He has praised the murderer Putin, and insulted several of our allies.
    He has lied about things easily disproved - Attacks in Sweden, the size of the inaugural crowd, that he inherited a mess, and on and on.

    We learned from Comey that there is an FBI investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russia - we already know of sleaze dealings by Manafort, and Flynn, and suspicion surrounding Carter Page, Sessions, and Trump.

    It hasn't been long, you are right, but it has already been shown that this is the most corrupt regime in a century, at least.
     
  11. VietVet

    VietVet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2017
    Messages:
    4,198
    Likes Received:
    4,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    WOW.
    Just curious, you believe in the tooth fairy and Easter bunny also?
     
  12. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    :roll: I presume you don't expect an answer to that puerile and rather childish question?
     
    Sharpie likes this.
  13. Mark Browning

    Mark Browning New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2017
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    Now that healthcare reform fell through, maybe Trump should concentrate on infrastructure. If the middle class turns around under this administration, maybe there will be fewer detractors. Right now it seems like they're flailing, if not sinking. It's still too early to tell.
     
    Just_a_Citizen likes this.
  14. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    When you use concepts such as, "seems like", please consider what is making it "seem" that way. You get your impressions through media - newspaper, tv news, radio, etc. 95% of that is left controlled. None of it is really truthful - and all of it is hysterical over the thing that doesn't matter while ignoring the thing that does matter. There is so much noise, so many false accusations, all in an attempt, I believe, to distract. Considering the short time Trump has been in office, I think he has worked impressively hard. I don't recall hearing of any accomplishments in the first terms of new presidents until well past the six month mark.

    Remember Obama stated that he should not be judged by his first hundred days?
    So what part of that message did his fans miss?
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2017
    Just_a_Citizen and Le Chef like this.
  15. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    31,455
    Likes Received:
    34,888
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm afraid that with Trump, we have to hold his feet continually to the fire or he'll forget what he's doing and Tweet us all into the grave.
    He has Attention Deficit Disorder. He's admitted to that.

    So he promises a wall and new healthcare, and instead we get browser history debacle and defunding women's health. Trump needs to be
    constantly directed back to budget issues cause in a few weeks there is going to be a real fight between Trump and Republicans over the
    debt ceiling ... and so far, he's not building the coalition he needs to stop a government shutdown.
     
    Just_a_Citizen likes this.
  16. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Don't be quick to judge ADD. The high-end of that spectrum are the dynamos that have amazed us throughout history. He promised to prevent unvetted people from entering the USA and he get blocked - not so? If you want to see things happen, start putting handcuffs on the resisters.
     
  17. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You gotta admit though, the man's a genius @ stirring the pot, & casting off all kinds of shiny things.

    Obama may have played well on YT, & such, but Donnie OWNS Twitter.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
  18. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2015
    Messages:
    31,455
    Likes Received:
    34,888
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ummm, sure - cause American Presidents put people who disagree with them in handcuffs ... oh wait, that would be Communist Despots who put people
    who disagree with them in handcuffs.

    Way to uphold the Constitution ... WTF, just plain, old WTF.
     
  19. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Sharp, you're not advocating prosecuting political adversaries on general principal right?

    Not that that group doesn't have a number of agent provocatuers who incite, or directly begin violent riotous behavior, who SHOULD be placed in cuffs.
     
  20. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    HOW is it that progressives can be so creatively loose in their interpretations of facts, but then get so tightly literal with the word, "handcuffs".
     
  21. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Of course - thank you for catching my drift. To say it literally - "manage to make the resisters refrain from their constant interference, and you will see a lot more getting done that benefits us all."

    But I think that's the objective -- to interfere and create distractions -- don't you? It certainly cannot be truth, justice, or anything sincere.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
    daisydotell and Just_a_Citizen like this.
  22. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Honestly, since the run up to ObamaAdmin_1, nothing BUT manufactured, (through the MSM) issues, & disturbances, tailored to distract any given situation.

    During ObamaAdmin_2, we saw the Über LibSwing kick into high gear, with the BLM dust-up.

    Hell, all the way back to Zimmerman on that tip.....
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
    Sharpie likes this.
  23. Mark Browning

    Mark Browning New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2017
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    I've heard this back and forth before, that the media is creating the controversy surrounding Trump. Isn't this just "shooting the messenger"?
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
  24. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Citizen, here's what I'm concerned about. At first, I thought it was spoiled "I can't believe I was actually WRONG!" MSM just venting their miff at being publicly humiliated. When they realized the folks weren't buying it, and were no longer following them, they huddled in a self protective Manhattan womb and stuck their tongues out at America. But as I watch this Russia stuff unfold, I think the big surprise to the progs was not only that Trump won, but that it threw a monkey wrench in their silent coup.

    Accusing Trump of consorting with Putin isn't just lying drama -- I truly suspect that it is a diversion to protect a crime that they themselves were committing. Starting with Obama's hot mic whispers to the Russians
    Snope's even affirms the truth that Hillary enjoyed personal enrichment from the chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer: His donations through the Fernwood Foundation included $1 million reported in 2009, the year his company appealed to the American Embassy to help it keep its mines in Kazakhstan; $250,000 in 2010, the year the Russians sought majority control; as well as $600,000 in 2011 and $500,000 in 2012.It is also true that large donations to the foundation from the chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer, at around the time of the Russian purchase of the company and while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, were never disclosed to the public. The multi-million sums were channeled through a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation, CGSCI, which did not reveal its individual donors.http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
    Well it is deep - so much deeper than any handshake or compliment coming from Trump.

    The louder the progs scream about Trump, the closer I look at them. Goes right back to the kid's adage, "The one who smelt it dealt it". It is the one truth you can apply to the progs every time -- from accusations of racism to sexism - they are the ones egregiously dealing it out right and left.

    Others are beginning to question prog motives as well. Now Evelyn Farkas admits to the crime of leaking intelligence on Trump -- It's all crumbling and people are actually going to go to jail on this one, I hope.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
    Just_a_Citizen likes this.
  25. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,298
    Likes Received:
    4,133
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That "Hot Mic" moment is certainly well overlooked, or poo-poo'd as a "Nothing to hear here" moment.

    The Über Left, as I call them, do really only seem to care, & cry Foul when the glass isn't focused on them. The extreme Right however, isn't much better.

    Partisanism just makes me sick these days anyway.

    Left WingNuts, Right WingNuts, 2 sides to the same warped coin.

    We need to flatten the coin again.
     
    The Mandela Effect and Sharpie like this.

Share This Page