For the owners of confederate flags and symbols.

See, most Americans have gone to public school which means they have done their fair share of promising fidelity to the magic skycloth of "Star Spangelania", any American waving any other flag is thus extremely triggering to them because they have been brainwashed to think only their skycloth is the symbol of good.

 

Well, I really can't (and shouldn't) comment on that. But, there is no point in denying history.....or seeking to foster any division. Team USA has more significant issues to deal with......like these endemic gun massacres.

 

But, this thread is about flags and not about shootings.

If there is one thing being denied here it is the Southerners right to their history, heritage and symbols.

 

I keep hearing this. Trust me no one cares about those flags or memorabilia sitting in museums, or being illustrated in textbooks or represented in books or scholarly articles, or in peoples homes. The statues of Lee are not teaching history. They are art. They are artistic representations of historical figures but they end up being about propaganda, rather than history. So does the Lincoln Memorial. What is described as 'history' is about three paragraphs of spin engraved about eye level, designed to laud, to celebrate to honor those figures. Its art + propaganda! and I think that is all good, but I do not confuse it with an effort to teach history. History is safely located far from parks, or City Hall, and memorial fountains. That stuff is in university libraries, in collections, and scholarly articles and on the internet.

 

History exists.....everywhere. Trick is......to learn from it.

 

If you're here to learn then you're not doing a very good job of it.

 

Surf nazis own nazis flags and other nazi memorabilia and so do many 1% OLMC members because they know it pisses off snowflakes.

There are more than a few combat vets who own an enemy's battle flag they either captured or came into possession of.

Then there is history.
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The low information revisionist or taliban are so low information they think a Confederate battle flag was the flag of the Confederate States of America.

It isn't.

The first known time that the KKK displayed the Confederate battle flag was in the late 1940's or early 1950's in California not the South.

 

This establishes that you live in OR. Given your state's racist history, how do you claim moral superiority over others in matters of race?

Why? I see no reason to believe you are any more moral than I. Not really disagreeing with your premise, just don't like your assumption of the moral high horse.

Who said I followed Christianity that closely?

Questioning your superiority is not an ad hominem attack. I disliked your assumption of moral superiority at the beginning and I dislike it now.

 

Propaganda

I think we can both stipulate that neither Oregon nor Christianity need to be researched before we can post on topic. I have no greater duty to research Oregon's history with respect to racism than you do Christianity. What you think was 'moral superiority never was. I did not distinguish between Oregon and the South based on one having a racist past that the other did not. People just misunderstood. I did distinguish them based on the respective differences in History and culture. The confederate flag came out of the confederate states. Oregon was not among them. The confederate states were slavery states. Oregon voted to be free states at the same time it came into the union. The number of blacks in Oregon was incredibly small, and Oregon voted at the same time to keep it that way, BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. That is a racist decision, but it also means that few blacks of any sort emigrated to be shoved at the back of a bus, or put at a separate di8ning car. . Instead Oregon's racism tended to impact Native Americans and Chinese or Japanese who emigrated instead, but those are outside the purview of this thread because confederate memes, statues, cemetaries etc were then and are now few and far between. This is not to suggest that there was no discrimination against blacks, and no sentiment for the confederacy, but that there are formal representations of either in the state of Oregon. All there is is some of these confederate flags hanging from peoples houses or their cars etc. Nothing like what you would see in South Carolina, and nothing that helps me understand the southern experience where that flag represents confederate dead, and the KKK, and someones great great grandfather, or institutional segregation . This does not mean Oregon is superior. It means I cannot pretend to understand the Southern experience because the war was not fought in Oregon and we did not have enough blacks to pass Jim Crow statutes.

Got it?

 

Sounds like Colin Kaepernick's reasons!

 

The Confederate Flag became a symbol of racism because it was misused by protesters against school integration back in the 1960s. The Confederate flag was a symbol of state resistance to human rights and democracy during the modern Civil Rights Movement. Southerners who believed in racial segregation displayed Confederate flags instead of the American flag. Similarly, The flag of England derived from Saint George's Cross is also often displayed by racist EDL protesters in England but there is nothing wrong with the flag itself.

 

I rewatched Animal House the other day, and there was a scene in which one of the main characters, Larry Kroger, takes a girl up to his room and starts making out. Unremarked was a US flag with 48 stars (the movie was set in 1962) and the stars and bars hanging on the wall. Now I wonder, why was the confederate flag there? Was it about racism? White supremacy?

The character wasn't a southerner and the movie was set in Oregon, but in 1978 (when the move came out) you could have a confederate flag in the background and it would draw no attention or notice. The modern telling of the confederate flag is that it's a symbol of hate, but that seems to be a recent interpretation meant to "other" southerners or people who like to identify themselves as rebels which seems to be the intent both in this move and in the show Dukes of Hazzard.

I find it interesting that a symbol can mean one thing (or multiple things) then someone decides it's unacceptable and we all have to kowtow to the new interpretation. Shouldn't we get a vote on that?

 

I grew up in suburban Indiana, about 10 miles north of the center of Indianapolis, til I was 24 or so. Though I lived in a truly middle class neighborhood (not upper, not lower) I went to school in the tenth wealthiest school district (Carmel) in the US. Carmel is full of doctors and lawyers and (at the time) '.com nuvo-riche.' Carmel High School is (or was, I've not looked into it since) a highly rated public school. I was a 'C' avg student, but was accepted to Purdue University as a 'B' avg student because of how highly rated my HS was. (Im not bragging, I hated all those preppy cocks and bitches complaining about how their BMWs were a couple years old already cuz daddy cared more about new mommy than their kids social reputation and ****).
Throughout my education, including college, I was always taught the Civil War was about States Rights vs Federal Authority, in a neutral tone that didn't take a 'side.' Slavery in the south was 'bad', but so was the Federal disregard for the constitutionally protected autonomy of state sovereignty and the military aggression the North. Neither side was morally superior. Northerners primarily fought to preserve the structural integrity of the Union so America could be a strong global power, not to end slavery. Southerners primarily fought a tyrannical regime to preserve their local autonomy and individual rights, not protect slavery, as poor did the fighting and the rich owned the salves. In truth, both primarily fought because they were conscripted to fight, and would've preferred not to fight at all...

So I was taught, and so I still believe.

The Confederate Flag was never called that, it was called the Rebel Flag. In Indiana, the flag was flown by whites and blacks alike as a '**** the man' symbol. Its was the flag you hung on the wall next to your Guns and Roses poster and your giant pot leaf so you could feel like you were sufficiently different from your parents. It didn't mean racism. Not to anyone.

 

So, given your state's racist history, you have some idea that you are morally better than those who have grown up in Southern states. Therefore, you have the right to judge them. Your self-righteousness is astounding.

 

Reread my post, and if you cannot rebut its actual content, rather than what you want it to contain, then move along. You evidently can't, so move along.

 

I stand by my statements. You evidently can't defend yours, and in your vulnerability claim I haven't made a rebuttal. In point of fact, I haven't tried to rebut any claim of yours. I asked a question. One which you have still not answered to my satisfaction. Whence comes your authority to judge?

 

Until you show me that you have the moral authority to suggest I haven't such a right or even a moral duty to judge others, its not a question that deserves a response. Whence comes any showing to my satisfaction, that gives any credence to your suggestion that this authority is absent?

 

I'll be selling these at the next Trump speech

 

Given that you have assumed the authority to judge in your OP, the onus is n you to rove your authority.

 

No matter what part of the country you are from the confederate flag has become the symbol of racism and if you fly it you're a racist.

 

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Anyone who sees a rebel flag being flown in this day and age can logically assume the owner is a racist or so far back in the woods that they have little contact with modern society (the wars over, you lost).
Your new flag
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My dear Mr. Ad Hominem, I do not know what dark place you pulled me liking Huey from but you can shove it back up there because I said no such thing.
Anyone who sees a rebel flag being flown in this day and age can logically assume the owner is a racist or so far back in the woods that they have little contact with modern society (the wars over, you lost).
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I'm sorry. I thought that was you. My new flag

 

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The Stars and Bars like the CSA was a Democrat thing. It apparently still is.

 

Weak deflection....

....and nonsensical comment