For The Sake of the Future, We have to Raise The Bar.

Precisely Margot..

 

You are right. Atheism does not address conflict resolution in any way, nor does it cast blame or castigate. Atheism is simply the non-belief in any deity. Individual atheists can do anything they want, except believe in a god. Atheism is just a word. With a definite meaning.

 

noted.

i have poor vision .

polscie

 

in real world, there is no atheist.
the claim of god is not proven and can never be.

atheist is the label produced by those
who believe in the claim of god.

one thing believers keep on denying is
that, god is just a claim until now.


"god" is not an existence part of this world.

"god" is a " no show".

you can say that a person is an atheist
if the claim of "god" was resolved by producing
a concrete evidence or godself made a "show" of godself,
and still such an individual keeps in not believing.

so there is no atheist, because there is no "GOD".

polscie

 

Oh, it doesn't?

"Religion
In the history of the world, nothing has been the catalyst of more grief, hatred, war, and crime than religion. Religion allows a person to hate, kill, torture, or steal, while allowing him to recuse himself of all blame. Religion causes people to break the laws of ethics and morality in the name of a god."

http://www.atheists.org/religion

Maybe the late Chris Hitchens would be worth reading as well? Dawkins? Maybe a quick glance at the constant contempt of teh Crusades from atheists, and indeed our hero right here making the same claim, should be taken into consideration?

What's really funny, is every atheist says the same thing you do - even as they, in other circumstances, make the exact same accusations that routinely fly around the forum.

What atheism really is? IMO, is a lack of standards and accountability.

 

Go ahead and acyually prove it. Lets see that testable scientific example - or do we get to hear about the agnostic atheist who is not making a claim again now?

Do we see the lack of standards in atheism? Be a dick to everyone else over a question of faith - when atheists use faith as well - and then deny that there is anything amiss at all?

Not ALL atheists are like this, but enough of them are, with a total lack of accountability, that it has taken over the image of atheism.

 

in real world, there is no atheist.
the claim of god is not proven and can never be.

atheist is the label produced by those
who believe in the claim of god.

one thing believers keep on denying is
that, god is just a claim until now.


"god" is not an existence part of this world.

"god" is a " no show".

you can say that a person is an atheist
if the claim of "god" was resolved by producing
a concrete evidence or godself made a "show" of godself,
and still such an individual keeps in not believing.

so there is no atheist, because there is no "GOD".

polscie

the above statement is the whole of my posting.

not just this: so there is no atheist, because there is no "GOD".

you were cherry picking.

polscie

 

I guess Im butting in but, what are you saying? Are you saying there is no god so there are no atheist? The logic in that is not. Its like saying "you are wrong so I don't need to be right." The idea of an all powerful God may be incorrect but you cant say that because it is incorrect it is not even an idea. Primitive Q&A notwithstanding. Atheism exist because many very brave people decided it was OK to not believe in that idea. On the other side spirituality and reality are not necessarily exclusive. If you think they are thats OK by me. I don't think your point doesn't exist, I just don't agree with it.

 

In a real world you actually have to back up what you say.

And you, like most militant atheists, haven't got a shread of evidence or even a deductive process that leads you down that path.

All you have is your faith, which you declare to be a fact - a fact which leads you toward intolerance.

You sound far more like an old Inquisitor than you do a rationalist.

Faith in nothing. No requirement to do anything other than run around telling people they are wrong - but not you - you say so.

Are we starting to see why theologians dismiss atheists as mere self worshippers?

 

What an individual atheist or groups of atheists might say has absolutely no bearing on the meaning of the word 'atheism'.
This has been explained to you before, but you continue to insist that 'atheism is a religion' or some such thoughtless drivel.
You also choose to ignore the fact that many atheists have not, do not and probably will never make disparaging remarks about religion or the religious.
If you choose to attack these individuals or organisations, you can justly do so.
If you continue to characterise atheism as attacking your beliefs, then you are being disingenuous at best.

 

In effect, we have as a state: or come as close as we dare to without effectively deteriorating the whole of society.

Christianity in and of itself is not to blame for anything. It preaches peace and acceptance of most, if not all people. But just like any idea, it can be taken to an extreme.

America, at least on paper, does not preach to any specific religion, and, again on paper, does not recognize any religion.

Please do not slight Christianity simply because you believe it to be "evil." It is a cliche, but an idea cannot be evil in and of itself. It is the actions that people take. Do not blame Christianity, for while there are few who take it to far, there are just as many who do good in this world under the name.

Yes I am "defending the Church," but I believe I have a right to when you are attacking it.

 

Oh, so we can generalize religion in terms, for arguements sake, like the religious right? People generally understand what we are talking about?

Unfortuantely, the atheists who do NOT act like that seem to be a minority.

You'd be amazed at how many atheists aren't really atheists at all - they are agnostic atheists.

Just wait until you have been called a murderer and rapist a few times in polite conversation - and watch the entire atheist community nod their heads in self congratulatory adjulation.

Indeed, see the previous post - and notice that not a single atheist has disagreed with the OP, atheists NEVER do. People notice that.

 

I don't understand the question.

On this forum, or where you come from, that may well be the case. Most of the atheists that I know are content to leave religion alone. Many who post in the religion section of discussion boards do so because they are anti-religious, and some (many?) may be inclined to mis-characterise and over-generalise. But these things are not confined to atheists.

People who take an atheist stance regarding some gods, might easily be agnostic towards some other gods. That is probably not uncommon.

The OP itself seemed to be fairly innocuous. Some of the subsequent posts were a little fiery, but it's possible that most of the atheists here that read them agreed with them or didn't consider them bad enough to protest about.
You can't possibly know what the entire atheist community thinks, unless the entire atheist community posts.