Forced sterilizations of Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps

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  1. Bjorn

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    https://www.dw.com/en/china-uighur-...-in-attempt-to-suppress-population/a-54018051

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713

    So, apparantly the Chinese government has given up on even forcibly "Sinicizing" the Uighurs into being good Han-Chinese, loyal Communists. Now it's gone on to ethnic cleansing. For years, this has officially been done to "combat extremism", which is apparantly equal to being Muslim and having a culture and language different from being Han-Chinese.

    How likely are significant economic sanctions over this by the US and the EU countries, and could Tibet be next for this radical step toward "lebensraum" for ethnic Han Chinese?

    I hate this form of nationalism. Xianjing was conquered by China in fairly modern times, and the Uighurs have lived there for centuries. They're a national, rather than merely an ethnic, minority in the region, iow. That the ChiCom government thinks everyone not being Han Chinese, everyone not believing in the same government approved view of religion, everyone not marching lock in step with Winnie the Pooh, is a "threat" to stability and peace in China, is not just tragic in human terms, but it is tragic most because it is a wrong belief. That leads to unnecesary suffering.
     
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    Why do Muslim states stay silent over China’s abuse of the Uighurs?

    Nations that claim to be defenders of the faith offer no protest to the concentration camps

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    When Lying Outlaw China imposed trade sanctions on Norway in 2010 for honoring the imprisoned dissident Liu Xiaobo with the Nobel peace prize, it spat out a word we weren’t used to hearing from propagandists for an atheist communist regime, but should get used to today. “It’s a blasphemy,” a lying outlaw party mouthpiece said.

    Criticism of the world’s largest lying outlaw dictatorship they term sacrilegious.

    When the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published largely innocuous cartoons of Muhammad in 2005, to assert the right to mock religion, the Egyptian and Syrian dictators, Hosni Mubarak and Bashar al-Assad, turned a local argument into a global campaign against Denmark. The cries of rage usefully distracted from their corruption and misrule. Authoritarian politics and authoritarian religion are two sides of the same debased coin.

    China has stripped away the religious justifications to reveal what was once half-hidden: unadorned and unstoppable power. In many countries, criticizing China is the new blasphemy. Nowhere can you see the power more nakedly displayed than in Muslim-majority regimes. Once, they tried to murder blasphemous novelists and screamed about their desire to defend the prophet from the smallest insult. Today, they bend their knees and bite their tongues as China engages in unspeakable atrocities against the largely Muslim Uighur population of western China.
     
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    Those camps are like our camps long ago that worked to get rid of Indian culture..

    Saw something similar with the Aborigines of Australia.
     
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    To answer your question in bold: For the same reason Western countries have stayed silent for so long: They care more about profits. They pay lip service to supposed "shared values" only when it won't bite the hand that feeds them and when the people doing the oppression isn't powerful or wealthy enough to retaliate to any significant degree. Denmark was/is a small, politically and economically minor country that it was "safe" to rail against, and incite the people against, for insulting Muslims. China, otoh.... nevermind what corrupt political leaders in Muslim-majority countries themselves stand to lose personally, but the average Arab, Turkish, Indonesian, etc. consumer might be hesitant enough to voice too much dissent if it means their cheaply made goods risk getting more expensive by criticizing China too much. Greed is good, as a an older movie once said... it is good for buying silence.
     
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    They aren't protesting because protesting would land them five years in prison, and they'd probably end up back in a concentration camp to be further "re-educated" after serving that. If citizens are not treated equally by the branches of government, they also ought not treat the legal system of the country they live in with any greater respect than it treats them. Only Uighurs can't do that without risking severe legal and personal penalties in China.
     
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    These would be the same folks who sit in judgement on their ancestors for not doing more to more rapidly eradicate slavery? Who now take China's side on every issue?
     
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    You referring to progressive White Americans, in relation to the BLM movement, I guess? I've seen plenty of articles critical of, and aware of, Chinese human rights abuses against the Uighurs in liberal and progressive-leaning US media. Thus I doubt that they'd take "China's side on every issue", not all of them. Not that I understand why you would assume that they would take China's side.
     
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    We didn't do ****. The last aboriginal in Tasmania was killed in 1827. If we were still doing this I would be every bit as, if not more outspoken against us, but we are not, China is.

    In short, fallacy of false equivalence.

    Not that I think we should do anything about it - China is an independent country. War would be disastrous. Withdrawing trade hurts us immeasurably more than China. But I'm sure as heck gonna spread as much Winnie the Pooh memes as I can.

    The film industry is a good example of the double standard - when Alabama passed a law restricting abortion film studios pulled production out of the state. But they are deliberately catering to Chinese authoritarianism to get the big Chinese market.
     
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    So the stolen generation never happened in Australia. That is what I was writing about. Yep it happened.



    China wants the Muslims in China to be like the Han. Same with the Mongolians I think. But above all... Communists.
     
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    They aren't black? Sorry, not news worthy. Please remove thread ASAP
     
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    What is China, other than a bigger version of North Korea? Same human rights abuses, (torture-camps) same eternally installed, despot leader. (Xi Jinping)

    Same nuclear toys controlled by a psychopath.

    When you strip away China's riches, that only serve to keep up appearances, what remains is nothing but an rogue state that enjoys repressing its people. Harass, detain, kill them.

    Just because one such rogue leader decides to wear a tie doesn't make him a popular icon.

    Don't be fooled by appearances.

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    Spot the difference
     
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    china had 1 child policy since 1977, minority get 2 kids while han ethnic group can only have 1, seem its unfair to han chinese to me. since 2014 china relax the birth control, allow han and miniority all have upto 3 kids. it has nothing to do muslim its about birth control since 1977. btw ccp force han ethnic group abortion too if they have too many kids.
     
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    nah even chinese dont call them communists, its more of central economy with authoritarian power. the day china is truly communist was gone since Deng taking over and start market economy reform.
     
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    There are Americans who wish to force women to gestate....both are equally bad and against human rights..
     
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    So no longer the CCP? Yeah right. Lol. So who rules China? The CCP. What does CCP stand for? Chinese Communist Party. Lol
     
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    if you ever read the communism manifesto define in marx and lenin, yes i read part of it in my college political science class way back. communism is about share the resource to everybody, common and equal ownership for everybody, absence of social class or elite. does china sound like that? lol. china is central market economy, and its political system are kin to authoritarian where central power are held in few politburo members, with its center figure head xi. dont get stuck on the word CCP, China was communist when Mao start it, now its not, its just a word, and its far from ideology when Karl Marx introduce in 19th century.
     
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    yeah noted, I was though referring to the whole world protesting for Uighur lives matter
     
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    Completely irrelevant comparison and whataboutism without any sense of proportion. That there are individual, private American citizens who wish to force women to breed in some hypothetical future America, does not in any way compare to the entire Chinese GOVERNMENT forcing an entire minority ethnic group now into concentration camps and forcibly sterilizing them now (meaning they will never have kids at all). You may also have American individual citizens who want to forcibly sterilize all black Americans to destroy all black Americans, but if those people don't have any sort of political influence, if those people don't represent what the US government is doing to its people, then your comparison is utterly pointless whataboutism completely devoid of a sense of proportion.
     
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    this is the other side of the abortion debate.... if the government can choose when you have a child, they can also choose when you can not
     
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    America's pro-choice, the government doesn't get to choose for you
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    There are Americans who wish to force women to gestate....both are equally bad and against human rights..




    OH BS!

    I pointed out that in America some AMERICANS are VERY HAPPY to treat women like cattle...EXACTLY LIKE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT ...it is an EXACT comparison..

    Depriving people of their right to bodily autonomy is wrong in ANY country.

    Banning abortion, as some AMERICANS, want to do is destroying women's rights.


    NO, it isn't just ""individual , private citizens"", it is POLITICIANS, lawmakers who fight to restrict abortion and have passed LAWS to do just that.
     
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    If you read my post you would know I admitted the wrongs of the past.

    The stolen generation was between 1910 and 1970, it ended over half a century ago. I did not participate in it and have been consistently opposed to it my entire life. Same goes for the vast, vast majority of Australians: indigenous, white or otherwise.

    We progressed past this evil a long time ago, which is why we can criticise China for its internment camps and doing the same thing - extermination, kidnapping and "re-education".
     
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    why is this news? china had 1 child policy since 1977, since 2014 they relax a bit, but the birth control policy is still in place upto 3 kids, anyone violate it will get a big fine, 2nd/3rd time violation could mean jail time. we are talking about something that was implemented since 1977. over here govt decide anyone getting abortion, the doc or the mom could goto jail, its the same old news.
     
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    This can't be right... The Chinese aren't white. Only whites are capable of doing evil things...
     
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    In certain cases, forced sterilization was carried out in Sweden and Denmark up until 1975.
     
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