Former Canadian diplomat detained in China following Vancouver arrest of Huawei CFO

https://www.rt.com/usa/446194-canadian-diplomat-detained-china/

The story of the arrest in Canada, at the request of the United States, the chief financial officer of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei Meng Wanzhou is entering a new phase, China has retaliated, and there have been tough proposals from the military.
We have already heard statements from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China demanding to release Maine Wanzhou. However, on December 8, the Chinese tabloid Global Times held a conference in Beijing devoted to issues in the South China Sea and the current state of relations between the United States and China. At this conference, sounded harsh statements against the United States. PLA Air Force Colonel Dai Xu, who is president of the Institute for Maritime Security and Cooperation, said: "If an American warship invades Chinese waters again, I suggest sending two warships: one to block it, and the other to ram it ... waters, we will not allow warships to disrupt the established order. " Pointing to the US operation to ensure freedom of navigation (FONOPs) in the South China Sea, Dai Xu said he could not understand why people in China are afraid to use military force to counter the US in carrying out this activity. Speaking about Taiwan, Dai Xu expressed an expectation of increasing tensions in the South China Sea, stressing that China should not fear conflict. He suggested that some provocation in the South China Sea could push China into military action against Taiwan. "This will accelerate our union with Taiwan ... let's just be ready and wait. As soon as a strategic opportunity arises, we must be ready to take on Taiwan." https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3592985

On December 10, it was reported that China canceled a meeting with a trade delegation from the Canadian province of British Columbia because of the detention of the Chief Financial Officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou.
On December 11, in the morning, Reuters reported that a former Canadian diplomat, Michael Kovrig, who works for the European non-profit organization International Crisis Group, was detained by Chinese authorities. The Foreign Ministry of China has not yet commented on information about the detention of a Canadian in China. Kovrig worked in the Canadian diplomatic department in 2003–2016. before joining the International Crisis Group, an NGO specializing in the study of armed conflict.
On the evening of December 11, it was reported that the Supreme Court of British Columbia had decided to release Meng Wanzhou on bail of $ 12 million, with a guarantee. It should be noted here that Meng Wanzhou has been living in Canada for a long time and has 2 reputable houses. At the same time, lawyers pointed to the deteriorating state of health of Meng Wanzhou who survived cancer and require special care. Meng Wanzhou will wear an electronic bracelet and it will be released if the United States does not request its extradition within 60 days.
As we can see, China did not go for a direct aggravation with the United States, but only hurt Canada. Earlier, US Trade Representative Robert Lighthayzer. Stated that the detention of Huawei Meng’s Director-General of Wanzhou should not affect the US-China trade negotiations.
As the Assistant to the President of the USA John Bolt told him, he was aware of the detention of Meng Wanzhou at the time of Trump's negotiations with Xi Jinping, but he is not aware of whether Trump himself knew about it.
On Tuesday, Trump himself said that he was ready to intervene in the Ministry of Justice about Meng Wanzhou, if it helps to secure a bargain with Beijing: “If, I think it will be good for the country, if I think it will be good for sure of the biggest bargain ever concluded, which is very important, good for national security, I would certainly intervene if I thought it would be necessary ”

In general - in war as in war.

I wonder, China has eggs to start a full-scale trade war, with the prospect of a transition to the hot phase?
On the one hand, the USA is the mainstream market for China; they don’t want to lose it. But on the other hand, China is the main US export market. And not only the market, but also the production base.
What is more important - one and a half billion who pay in cash, or 300 million who consume on credit?

What do you think about it?

 

Honestly now? Are the Canadians now totally stupid like the US government? Apparently, stupidity is an infectious disease ...

Meng Wanzhou, Huawei's chief financial officer and daughter of the Huawei founder, was arrested on Saturday at the request of the US authorities in Canada. The allegation of the US is for violation of sanctions against Iran. The investigators are now demanding extradition so that the manager can answer to a New York court. Today she was provisionally released on probation with an electronic ankle bracelet.

We hold: Because Huawei is said to have violated the illegal, criminal and unilateral US sanctions against Iran?
Damn it ... the US has no right to impose such sanctions and not force others to comply. It's getting time for the US to get a kick in the butt!

 

What is now in the United States - is called ordinary fascism. That is 100% fascist dictatorship. And if you look at political preferences, the dictatorship is more like the Mussolini dictatorship.... Although ...it looks even more like a more brutal and cynical dictatorship of the Zionists. Yes. It is exactly the Zionist dictatorship that looks like what is happening now in the USA. Read the Zionist-sacred Talmud, and you will understand that I am right. Unfortunately, the moderators prohibit writing quotes from the Talmud, but you can read on your own that the Talmud and the Jewish faith preach.

 

well Canada is a 51 state of USA after all , so..

 

Tit for tat. The Canadians need to think of China as an enemy as we do.

 

Maybe the Chinese shall then arrest an manager of Apple when visiting the Apple plant in China for fullfilling the criminal US sanctions against Iran as response?

 

It's possible.

 

STUPID! is not comprehending the definition of "rule of law" ...

legally binding obligations require Canada to honor the US requests, as far Canada is concerned legality must take precedence over politics. There can be zero politcal interference in judicial matters regardless what Canadian politicians may prefer, our judicial system remains above politics as it should be.

 

since the bloated orange ape occupied the whitehouse many canadians see the USA as an enemy...

 

Wrong!
An illegal implemented sanction against a country is not a binding issue to arrest a third one who does not care for this illegal sanction in Canada!

 

do you have a pin?...try look at it's head and see if you can find the sum total of your legal knowledge

 

The panda bear has teeth

What a surprise to china worshiping globalists

This is only a preview of what happens to the world when the Middle Kingdom has the power

 

Americans, of course, are cunning - they set up their northern neighbors. But the Chinese also played along with them, pretending that they were offended not by the United States, but by Canada.

However, the Celestial will have to respond directly and unequivocally, if the situation does not resolve, and Meng Wanzhou will be extradited. Then the scandal, in all likelihood, will move to a new level.
The glove, which Washington threw to Beijing, made me recall the version of one of my very advanced friend, who suggested that the information and sanctions attack on Moscow is a smoke screen that distracts. According to him, the United States is preparing to wage not a trade war with the PRC, but a real one.
That's because, economically, China has long been stronger than America, if we bear in mind the real product, not the inflated services and all sorts of derivatives. According to the energy table the Chinese economy is today in the lead and is growing, one and a half times the American one. This is more than a serious challenge for the United States.
But militarily, the PRC, unlike Russia, is relatively weak and cannot withstand the United States. According to estimates, taken from the US Department of Defense report to the 2010 Congress “Military Power of the People’s Republic of China”, China has about forty intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the United States.
Of course, in eight years their number should have grown. But hardly so much that the American missile defense could not knock them all down.
The submarine fleet, which could pull up missiles to the American coast and bombard cities and ports with shorter-range missiles, is few and has serious problems (perhaps, therefore, not numerous).
In a word, militarily, China for the USA is easy mining. And at the same time tasty, because it solves many problems.

The controversial version, but, you agree, has the right to exist. Especially in the light of recent events related to the arrests of prominent people.

And by the way, the RIC mini-summit of Russia, India and China, which recently took place in Buenos Aires, looks completely different. Let me remind you what the Russian president said: “The processes taking place in Eurasia require closer coordination of the approaches of the three countries, primarily in the area of security, and building constructive interstate relations.”

Perhaps Putin proposed Xi Jinping (and maybe Narendre Modi) to organize a single missile defense umbrella. Or maybe it is already created behind the scenes. There’s really no place to go - lately the crazy people in the White House have become very aggressive.

 

Good point and you're absolutely correct. She will have an opportunity in Canadian court to argue that the extradition request is not legally valid and the US will have to prove that it is. That's how the legal system works here. It puts Canada in a difficult position with China but that country doesn't believe in the primacy of law irrespective of political considerations.

 

a couple few points that make it really messy
-in china if the politicians don't like a ruling or want the trial to go a certain way they direct the judiciary to the wanted outcome, they seem to have a problem comprehending we do it differently
-the Chinese like many east Asian cultures they have something called "face" to lose face is a serious humiliation, so when dealing with personally/diplomatically them don't put them in that position, Canada has put them in that position
-respect, China is very condescending of other cultures, it's a holdover from imperial china they believe they are superior to all other cultures...a comparably tiny(population and military strength) country like Canada has zero respect in China and it doesn't sit well with the Chinese leadership that an unimportant(in their world view) country like Canada defies them and doesn't respect Chinese superiority...

 

???? Sounds uninformed or wishful thinking.

 

Really this issue leans on one question: is the accused CFO of Huawei plausibly charged?

If so, the US and Canada should offer consular services to the imprisoned Canadian, but not release a criminal to save the citizen. See how the Huawei chief does in trial. If innocent there is no issue. If guilty then you have to make the difficult decision to not let China push them around.

If not, then they should release the woman immediately.

 

the orange one has linked the arrest of the Chinese CFO to a political/trade issue with China... the Defense attorney can now claim her arrest was politically motivated/invented charge by the US president as trade bargaining maneuver and not criminally motivated, that would be grounds for her release...

 

Then let them try that defense.

 

Seriously now?
The unilateral US sanctions against Iran are illegal and not legally binding. That's what triggered the arrest in Canada ... and so the complete arrest is a totally illegal act!

 

EXCLUSIVE: China, Meng Wanzhou and Canada — how Huawei CFO’s arrest is playing out behind the scenes

https://globalnews.ca/news/4762716/...tradition-exclusive/?utm_source=notification/

Messy messy. Trump considers all of this as a bargaining chip. His abuse of the US neighbor and long standing friend/ ally is appalling. His simpleton approach to complex issues....... is counterproductive. Was demanding this arrest worth all the fallout?? But fallout is what Trump loves. He CREATES problems when things could be worked out more sanely. How did he think the Chinese would react?? Or was that the INTENTION?? The only nations he has not offended is Putin's Russia, Kim's NK.......and the Saudi prince. Trump seems oblivious to the discord he is creating. both inside the US administration and world wide.

 

Yes... China is killing the chicken to scare the monkey...I read somewhere this morning...I do feel for the two Canadians, being held and interrogated in China is a lot worse than what Meng Wanzhou would have gone through... she's also out on bail.

 

Canada’s ambassador to China meets with second detained Canadian Michael Spavor

https://globalnews.ca/news/4767690/...an-ambassador-china/?utm_source=notification/

 

I'm afraid I have to agree with you on this one. China has no obligation to obey the US because Trump is angry with Iran.

 

Love the BLAME TRUMP game.
I guess if the influenza hits really hard this Winter,
BLAME TRUMP
Record Rain and Floods back East,
BLAME TRUMP
Whatever, whatever, just remember the mantra of the LSM & Parrots
BLANE TRUMP
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did not behave, "wisely".

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...-would-have-warned-meng-wanzhou-to-stay-away/
A wiser government would have warned
Meng Wanzhou to stay away
Michael Byers holds the Canada Research Chair in Global Politics
and International Law at the University of British Columbia.
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