Former Liberal leader M. l Ignatieff says Quebec will “eventually” become an independ

Do you support Québec independence?

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I'd sooner they stay we have a shared history but I support the right of self determination, if that's their choice so be it...personally I don't think it will happen separating our two economies would ruinous for Quebec and when the reality of jobs and mortgages is thrown into consideration people vote for their finances...

 

its a myth , the last Present of USSR repeated it 1000 times, we have not listen him and you can see results ...

 

right, and you know more about canada/quebec economics than I do?...Quebec supports it's generous social welfare programs with equalization payments from wealthier provinces, the equalization program was meant aid provinces with weak economic performance...Quebec has never paid into the program only collected about a quarter of a trillion dollars...without the contribution from the wealthy provinces that attempt to control their spending quebec's deficit would double...if Quebec were to leave canada the transfer of money that supports it's generous social system would disappear and Quebec would face the reality of it's true financial situation...

the rest of canada would be financially better off without an annual transfer of $4.5 billion to support quebec...

 

i did some course in economic in my universities , and believe its not that easy (Quebec =parasite) , dont worry about Quebec , they will do fine(restructurization of its economy) even with out your " a quarter of a trillion dollars".

i have a question: why is not a confederation solution work for you?

 

This has been the story of the Quebecois since I was a kid. Quebec operates in a lot of ways as a different state now and has the benefit of Canada as a whole. You can feel that simply crossing from Ottawa to Hull. I love Quebec. I wish it could be its own country but I am unclear about the upside.

 

is it kind of win - win situation for all parts?

 

even a recent attempt to moderately raise already heavily subsidized university tuition caused social and political upheaval in Quebec...without the annual financial assistance from the other provinces life would still go on in an independent Quebec but not without a considerable economic and social damage...

I don't understand the question...

 

1)if it worked for most of ex USSR republic why it´d not work for Quebec?
2)does not Quebec ask about EU similar relation with Ottawa ? so why not?

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Interesting to read how both sides read a map

 

French...what are you going to do.

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Quebec...it's like Tejas with an extra 100 points on the IQ.

 

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has it worked? being independent doesn't mean they've benefited economically or socially from the breakup of the USSR...

quebec will have to negotiate a new relationship with canada just as canada did with the USA, the majority of canadians outside of quebec do not want an EU relation with quebec, if quebec separates the breakup will be complete...there will be a trade agreement but quebec will lose the billions it gets in transfer payment canada, money quebec taxpayers will have to pay to cover revenue shortfall....plus it will have to negotiate it's own deal with the USA...

 

Correction: Quebec AND Canada will have to negociate a new relationship. Both countries won't really have a choice because of 2 things: geography and financial interests. Maybe you don't want an association but I'm sure companies that have financial interests in Quebec won't agree with you. Ask anyone on Bay Street if they will stop investing in an independent Quebec, they will all say NO. Nobody wants to lose money just for the sake of frustration. Money talks louder than politics. And what about cross-border workers who work in Quebec? Canadians with families in Quebec? Not sure a "complete breakup" is what they want. And how do you want a "complete breakup" to work if you want to go to Moncton from Ottawa? Negociations will without a doubt be easier with Quebec than with the USA for free circulation of goods and people. What about the St-Lawrence? Would you rather use the Mississipi? I don't think so.

Quebec will have to negociate its own place in NAFTA. But how would the existing members defend a free-trade agreement for the entire continent without Quebec? What would be the reasons to reject the new country? Lots of american, mexican and canadian companies have financial interests in Quebec. They won't agree to lose money for the sake of a few disgruntled canadians.

Transfer payments amount to 8 billions per year, a mere 3% of the Quebec budget, not a big shortfall. Plus Quebec will keep the GST's fiscal dish and all the taxes its citizens send to Ottawa. Quebec will actually be richer and so will Canada. A mutual benefit. Just out of curiosity, why do you want Quebec to suffer from independence that bad? You look like a disgruntled ex-husband who wants his ex-wife to be miserable without him.

 

you have a vivid imagination to come to those conclusions from what I posted...

quebecs trade negotiations with the usa have nothing to do with canada...nowhere did I claim canada would reject quebec that's your imagination running wild again...

3% a significant amount, what happened in quebec when the government wanted to raise heavily subsidized university tuition? then add to that daycare and other perks that are only possible with transfer payments...AND quebec and canada will both be richer because of it it? that's incredibly creative economics on your part...

 

Well, you did talk about a complete breakup, which is impossible.

3% is not that significant if you consider that the Quebec government would get 100% of all the taxes, not 50% like it is now. The former liberal government wanted a 77% raise to tuition, not very logical. What gets a 77% raise without protest? The current government changed it to a 3% raise per year. In the long run, they get the same result without the social crisis.

Quebec citizens pay the most taxes in North America, thus have the best services. Quebecers pay for their own services. Canadian medias like to spread the lie that Quebec exists financially because of Canada because it's a big seller. Papers sell more copies when they bash Quebec. I suggest you read further than the Calgary Sun or the Globe & Mail if you want a better picture.

 

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october crisis was 2 generations ago, things have changed...i see the current separatist leadership deliberately provoking a xenophobic culture to draw more Quebecois to the separatist cause but the younger generation is much more global and tolerant in their outlook than their parents and won't easily be swayed...unless there is serious constitutional crisis between quebec and canada to anger the younger generations the movement toward separation will weaken with every passing year...

 

me and Igantieff dont think so, young Quebecois have taking an other approach. do you think you can assimilate Quebecois totally one day?

 

i don't think they'll ever assimilate, I also don't think it's an issue...financial reality will be the deciding factor, person's job/mortgage/financial stability is more important than nationalist sentiment, if people believe their financial security is at risk independence will be 2nd choice...there is no downside for a resident of quebec being in canada, they're not oppressed, persecuted, or disadvantaged in any way so where is the motivation to leave and risk their financial security? ...quebec will separate from canada when friesland separates from netherlands, highly unlikely and less likely with each passing year...

 

Speaking a different language does not constitute a culture , it beats me why Canadians want to secede from Canada.

 

only the independent nations will survive in the new global age

 

But how do you define nation?
In 21st century with the internet people are united under interests and ideas not under nationality or language .

 

i have my own litwin definition of nation and it does not include words assimilation, marginalization . French culture has vanished from rest of Canada already ....and don't forget Frenchmen were in Canada first . its important also how Canada defines term - nation.

you know Quebec was brutally occupied much like you under WW2 , so its not strange that Quebecois have voted for the separatists 30 years non stop

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