Former Prosecutor makes the case that Trump committed treason

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  1. Across the pond

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    Possibly, but I’ve learned that seemingly impossible levels of denial don’t necessarily mean someone isn’t sincere.
     
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    March... it was still up and the guards there 2 months later after Jan 6... still no breach of the capitol all that time... so it shows it works... If it and the guards were there Jan 4, then we would not have had Jan 6... if it is working 2 months later then it proves it would have worked on Jan. 6.
     
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    They were there 2 months later... you are denying it worked, but obviously the powers to be thought it worked good enough to leave it up... AND THERE WERE NO MORE BREACHES.
     
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    Is that you, Joe? Does it hurt your feelings when I prove you wrong like this?
     
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    Right!

    AFTER the insurrection.

    BEFORE the insurrection no one believed AMERICANS would attack their own government, desecrate OUR Capitol, wipe their **** on the walls and piss on the floors, beat hell out of Capitol Policemen and destroy 150 year old doors, windows and furnishings. No one predicted that.
     
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  6. Noone

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    All you've proved is your, already famous, bias.

    That's a great picture of President Biden; is he calling out Benedict Donald's BIG LIE? I like it.
     
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    I’m simply going to end with this, as an illustration of your faulty inferences. You said “You are denying it worked”. I can only assume you mean my obviously absurd challenge (“you can’t know the troops would have kept the protestors out”). What did I say immediately after that? “That’s how silly your argument is”. Seriously, learn to read.
     
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    Proof...... everyone but you thinks the guards stop breaches.... have there been any breaches after the guard called in on January 6... Nope.

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    Prove it ""wipe their **** on the walls and piss on the floors"".

    No one predicted that after forewarning and guard being authorized that the CP and overseers Pelosi and ilk would fail at their jobs and let security get to a level that could not control the crowd...

    Tell Ashli Babbitt and Rosanne Boyland about how the Capitol Police attacked them... Rosanne was beaten by CP on the steps and Ashli was murdered by a CP that hid in a concealed position to spring forward in an ambush to kill her.

    None of it would have happen if the forewarning were heeded and the authorized guard were used...
     
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    Proof, everyone but you could not fathom Americans actually attacking OUR Capitol before January 6th 2021.

    Proof ... were there any attacks on the Capitol prior to January 6th 2021? Other than during the war of 1812 against the British.
     
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    Without anyone crosse examining them or witnessed to the contrary it's Kabuki theater.
     
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    If he had just said, "see if you can't find me more votes" you'd have a stronger case but he gave a specific number. In any case this is a defense to be used at a trial. Probable cause to prosecute is well-established.
     
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    Were there forewarnings of attacks before Jan. 6... Yep Jan. 5th
     
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    Rioters left feces, urine in hallways and offices during mobbing of US Capitol

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/riote...ays-and-offices-during-mobbing-of-us-capitol/




    None of it would have happened IF:
    tRump would have, after all his legal wrangling failed, would have accepted the result of the election.
    tRump would NOT have called his supporters to DC.
    tRump would NOT have held a rally at the eclipse that morning.
    tRump would NOT have told them to fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country anymore.
    tRump would NOT have had Judy Ruliani running off at the mouth every chance he got.
     
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    Did you watch? Those were stalwart Republicans that prior to January 6th had wanted Benedict Donald to win reelection.
     
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    No, there were forwarnings of POSSIBLE violence. No one conceived that what happened January 6th was even a possibility.
     
  17. Bullseye

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    Meh
     
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    But "find me those votes" is far more encouraging and motivating.
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

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    Naturally you are going to glance at them with your predetermined conclusion.

    The witnesses are all republicans, and a few of them voted for Trump and if you listened to their story, it was heartfelt and heart wrenching.

    But, of course, you won't even look. Listen to the testimony of Rusty Bowers, AZ Republican Speaker Of the HOuse, who voted for Trump, listen to his testimony. If you call your self fair and balanced, listen to his testimony. If anyone will speak up for Trump, it would be him. Listen to the testimony of Brad Raffensperger, he voted for Trump, and if anyone would speak up for Trump, it would be him. He tried his darndest to convince Trump that his allegations of fraud in GA were bogus. There were three audits, including a hand count, in GA, and the results confirmed Biden's win by about 12k votes. Yet Trump wouldn't listen, he continues to spew the big lie that he won in that states and in AZ, and others.

    IN lawsuit after lawsuit, Trump lost in courts, 61 of 62 and the one he won in was some minor thing. In a number of the lawsuits, 'evidence' was provided but if you read the court's ruling, you will find that the judge looked at the evidence and concluded it wasn't evidence, it was crap. From all this, I can only conclude that most republicans do not understand what constitutes evidence that will withstand forensic scrutiny.
     
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    Well, he should testify at the hearings, they would allow it. but, he won't, there's this thing called 'under oath' and 'perjury'.

    Hell, his own lawyers won't even let him even testify. Why? Because they know he will perjure himself if he does.
     
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    As did you.
    So what? You don't think they were pre-screened by the committee?
    I saw part of his testimony.
    They were thrown out on procedural faults not facts.
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    In a number of the lawsuits, 'evidence' was provided but if you read the court's ruling, you will find that the judge looked at the evidence and concluded it wasn't evidence, it was crap. From all this, I can only conclude that most republicans do not understand what constitutes evidence that will withstand forensic scrutiny.[/QUOTE] Yeah, sure. Tell yourself what ever you need.
     
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    He's not 'challenging election results', he schemed to subvert the election, AFTER he lost 61 court challenges.

    He's tried to get several states to set aside the electors Biden won, and replace them with Trump electors.

    This much is established fact. Here are two of many.

    AZ (R) Speaker Rusty Bowsers testifies



    GA Secy of State Brad Raffensperger testifies



    Fake elector scheme which continued AFTER all court challenges failed, some attorney's bailed because of that fact.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/20/trump-fake-elector-timeline/

    Judiciary report on how Trump tried to overturn the election

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim Staff Report FINAL.pdf
     
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    Schiff didn't doctor evidence, and the liars are republicans for not stating what actually happened, in the light that it actually happened.

    NEWSWEEK:
    While it's true that committee staff cut short Jordan's original forwarded message for the sake of brevity and that a period was mistakenly added in place of an em dash. The committee has admitted to both. But there is no evidence that the changes were made in order for Schiff to mislead fellow committee members, nor do they alter or distort the meaning of the message. The claims of evidence tampering by Schiff are misleading because the committee said that the graphic was shared with him in that form. It has since shared the full text, which is stored in the committee's evidence trove in its original form.

    But leave it to dishonest republicans to twist the facts to fit a predetermined conclusion in order to forward a right wing agenda built on lies, lies, and more lies.

    If tampering with evidence bothers you, do you mind Trump's witness tampering, dangling pardons for the 1/6 Capitol attackers in exchange for friendly testimony in the event he is elected in 2024?

    Apparently you don't give a damn that Trump is totally corrupt.
     
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    he schemed to subvert the election, AFTER he lost 61 court challenges.

    He's pressured several states Secy Of State and/or election officials to set aside the electors Biden won, and replace them with Trump electors.

    He bullied several election operatives causing his fans to persecute them and ruin their lives.

    He committed witness tampering by dangling pardons for 1/6 attackers, some of whom haven't testified yet.

    The following were being investigated in the Barr DOJ, and the investigations were closed.

    52 U.S.C. §§ 30104, 30109; 18 U.S.C. § 2
    He committed felony campaign finance violations when he caused Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report AMI’s contribution

    18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 1519
    He committed campaign finance crimes and coverup by causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the FEC

    18 U.S.C. § 1001
    He committed campaign finance crimes and cover up by making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for Clifford payment on 2017 public financial disclosure form

    18 U.S.C. § 371
    He committed campaign finance crimes by conspiring to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance laws

    18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2)
    He committed obstruction of the Russia and Special Counsel Investigations by Corruptly obstructing or impeding the investigation of Michael Flynn

    and many more:

    https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/2019/02/A-Campaign-to-Defraud.pdf
     
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    How was he going to "subvert" the election? Give us a rough summary of the plan to do so.
     

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