Former Prosecutor makes the case that Trump committed treason

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why?
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Vacuous allegations are not a merit worthy rebuttal. State logical fallacies, and why you think they are. If not, comment dismissed
     
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    Here's what went right over your head.

    We would still have 1/6 because an attack would have still been attempted.

    It's the attempt, and the whys and wherefores that is being investigated, not whether it was contained adequately.

    Moreover, the 1/6 attack is one of the crimes being investigated, Trump's attempted subversion by fake electors and
    pressuring state election operatives to discard Biden electors and replace with Trump electors,

    https://www.azleg.gov/press/house/54LEG/2R/201204STATEMENT.pdf

    and Trump harassing
    election operatives by accusing them of fraud when in fact all they were doing was their job, and the public accusation resulted
    in death threats for them and their families and ruined their lives. Trump's pressuring of Pence to toss out state certifications.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is not a criminal trial, and their testimonies were true.

    that they were true, is ALL that matters.
    Yeah, sure. Tell yourself what ever you need.[/QUOTE]



    In Rusty Bowers Testimony, the AZ speaker of the house, stated that Trump and Guiliani called hinm to get him to replace Biden's electors with Trump electors, he declined, but Guiliani stated he has proof the vote was fraudulently won. Bowers asked for proof, Giuliani never provided it.

    And what about 'the Kraken'? it was laughed out of court as 'speculation and conjecture'. Powell was later sanctioned for her incompetence.
     
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    By 'subvert' it is meant 'overturn' by deceptive and nefarious, probably illegal, means.
    1. President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to the American public claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.
    2. President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Acting Attorney General, so that the Department of Justice would support his fake election claims.
    3. President Trump corruptly pressured Vice President Pence to refuse to count certified electoral votes in violation of the US Constitution and the law.
    4. President Trump corruptly pressured state election officials, and state legislators, to change election results.
    5. President Trump's legal team and other Trump associates instructed Republicans in multiple states to create false electoral slates and transmit those slates to Congress and the National Archives.
    6. President Trump summoned and assembled a violent mob in Washington and directed them to march on the US Capitol.
    7. As the violence was underway, President Trump ignored multiple pleas for assistance and failed to take immediate action to stop the violence and instruct his supporters to leave the Capitol.
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    ""an attack would have still been attempted. "" No it would not.

    The inadequate security is not being investigated because the screwups of the CP and overseers Pelosi and ilk are the ones presenting to you, the low information liberals... the very information they do not want to uncover... They are in control of the information to you.....
     
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    Just a "normal tourist day".
     
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    Electoral Count Act 1887... a law on the books and all legal... educate yourself....
     
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    Prove any of it...
    it has been 1 1/2 years since he has been out of office.. Mueller said he could be charged after out of office... so what are you missing here?
     
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    *LOL*

    Yeah. Give us your analysis.
     
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    When did I say that I never watched any of it...? You have a penchant for making assumptions and statements about what people do and say that reveals much about YOU.... I did write early-on that I'd rather watch video clips of two dogs 'making love' than to watch this idiotic sideshow, but that didn't mean I didn't suffer through enough of it to see it for what it is....

    But I will confess one thing... I can only take a very limited, short amount of time looking a wretched, deceitful insect like Adam Schiff (especially) before 'my pot begins to boil over'....

    Oh, BTW, although I've already said it about two hundred times, if (IF) Donald Trump is shown to have broken law(s), then let him be appropriately charged, tried, and -- if found guilty -- punished according to that which is prescribed by LAW.
     
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    No, it's more like a grand jury, if you want a realistic parallel.
     
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    "Grand Jury"...? :lol: More like a "Star Chamber"... or, "The Spanish Inquisition".

    [​IMG] . [​IMG]
     
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    I'll pass thanks.
     
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    POSSIBLE violence....After the riots in our streets throughout 2020 "possible" violence by antifa and the BLM, then there is ALWAYS the "possibility" of violence by antifa and the BLM anywhere, anytime including the Capitol. ... but throw on a red MAGA hat and you have your photo shoot.. ask John Sullivan, he'll get you one..

    POSSIBLE violence....Who would ever conceived there would be Fed's participating in Jan. 6?.. but then again who ever thought there would be Fed's participating in the kidnapping of a governor?

    POSSIBLE violence....Who would ever have conceived it was possible the great FBI with their most sophisticated forensic ability can sift through a blown up building and pick up traces of bomb parts and evidence in the rubble and trace it to the bomber...
    but on Jan. 6 two fully intact pipe were retrieved, many video's from around the city to trace the bombers route into the area. And who was the bomber..?????
     
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    So he can look up "treason"
     
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    a source close to incoming Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) told The Post.
    "a source"??????
    Really... you are going with this as proof... you are more gullible than I thought... Please provide us with some sort of proof... maybe pictures, an actual statement from this unnamed "source"... or maybe you can provide a second person who also saw it.... a named source would be good..
     
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    Prove it or stop making false statements
    ""If tampering with evidence bothers you, do you mind Trump's witness tampering, dangling pardons for the 1/6 Capitol attackers in exchange for friendly testimony in the event he is elected in 2024?""

    But leave it to dishonest lefty to twist the facts to fit a predetermined conclusion in order to forward a right wing agenda built on lies, lies, and more lies. To accept the fact Adam Schiff altered evidence is sickening.

    Yes Adam Schiff altered evidence and obstructed justice... as he has done before... he lied before Congress.

    Wake up America.
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    One message, which Schiff attributed to a Republican lawmaker, was doctored to read: “On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.”

    What did Schiff leave out... what the text was included..
    ""On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all — in accordance with guidance from founding father Alexander Hamilton and judicial precedence.
    ‘No legislative act,’ wrote Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 78, ‘contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.’ The court in Hubbard v. Lowe reinforced this truth: ‘That an unconstitutional statute is not a law at all is a proposition no longer open to discussion.’ 226 F. 135, 137 (SDNY 1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654 (1916).
    Following this rationale, an unconstitutionally appointed elector, like an unconstitutionally enacted statute, is no elector at all.""
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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...t-message-between-mark-meadows-and-jim-jordan

    https://ijr.com/jan-6-committee-claims-inadvertently-altered-text-meadows/

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/1...ttee-spokesperson-releases-statement-1176344/

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/1...ages-between-mark-meadows-and-rep-jim-jordan/

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...message-in-democrat-rep-schiffs-presentation/

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ence-in-text-messages-at-january-6-committee/
     
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    You got away from "treason" awful fast...lol
     
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    That is my analysis.. Electoral Count Act 1887... a law on the books and all legal...
    It is what this committee will stay as far away from as they can... and suppress any notion that this law even exists..
     
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    OK, you don't watch much but you have an completely open mind when you do. :roll:
    What you've admitted is your evaluation is ... pointless.
     
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    In a strange way, I'm kind of forced to agree with you. Truth? I don't have a particularly 'open mind' about this latest 'foaming-at-the-mouth' witch hunt (the latest one in a long series of 'witch hunts' pushed and shoved primarily by liberal Democrats and RINO's ever since the moment Trump defeated Hillary in 2016.

    I'm sick and weary of all this one-sided partisan crap -- especially as Democrats have completely and repeatedly ignored conspicuous, REAL law-breaking activity among their own big-wigs, including both Hillary Clinton and "Messiah" Obama....
     
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    Kudos for the admission. This would be a better place to discuss things with more of that kind of honesty.
     
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    In a number of ways, I regret some of the changes I feel that I've been forced to undergo during about the last twenty years. On balance, I'd say that nearly all Americans were probably happier, and less bitter and entrenched in our dislikes twenty years ago than we are now.

    You are "across the pond"? Could you please tell us in which country? I always enjoy the perspectives of those in foreign nations.
     
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    A grand juries only purpose is to see if enough evidence exists for charges to issue and a trial to eventually be had which will decide whether those charges stick.
    Congress doesn't levy charges, ergo it has no realistic parallel.
     

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