Fox News Poll - 54% of Republicans favour higher taxes on the wealthy

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  1. EarthSky

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    So, in several recent polls, it has been show that overall, roughly 70 to 76% of Americans overall support higher taxes on the very wealthy.

    Usually when this subject is brought up the poster is accused of being a loser who never had a job or in is some kind of permanent envy/resentment state or some other such nonsense that is current meme in right-wing circles.

    But the truth is that higher taxes on extreme wealth as supported by people like Bernie Sanders and AOC is not some radical fringe idea by raving commies and lunatic lefties.

    This is commonsense policy that has the support of a majority of Americans. Why should a progressive tax rate be out of the question for people who depend on government to enforce their land and property rights and who use public commons in the form of resources and labour? The truth is that even the very wealthy depend on a stable, functioning social infrastructure in order to produce and maintain their fortunes.

    Now Fox news has come out with a new poll that show that higher marginal taxes on the very wealthy even has the support of 54% of Republican voters.

    "But a new Fox News poll finds that raising income taxes on ten-millionaires is a policy that enjoys broad bipartisan support among 85 percent of Democrats, 54 percent of Republicans, and 70 percent of registered voters overall. Hiking taxes on incomes over one million was almost as popular overall, with 65 percent support.

    Asked, in broad terms, to choose between cutting taxes or raising spending, a majority of Americans opted for the latter, with only 40 percent preferring tax cuts.

    Numbers like these underscore the growing disconnect between what voters want and what most elected officials are willing to consider. Research in the past year has shown that politicians in D.C. and at the nation’s state houses believe that the public is much more conservative on economic policy issues than they actually area. Many political scientists believe that this is due, in part, to lawmakers' cozy relationships with big businesses and their deep-pocketed lobbyists, who tend to prefer more conservative economic policies."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...-survey/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8fe85e78b046

    Of course the very wealthy and their supporters are going to knash their teeth and scream about tyranny and socialism. How outrageous and un-American it is to pay taxes.

    But what the new domacrats are proposing is good, common sense public policy that the vast majority of Americans, from both sides of the political spectrum support.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They already pay the majority of taxes for that stuff.

    We don't have a revenue problem we have a spending problem.

    Why don't you try spending less and raising nobody's taxes?

    Hmmmm?
     
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    Cute slogan, but not accurate from a historical perspective. Our taxation rate is at near historic lows and our spending is pretty much right in line with historic trends.
     
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    This gentleman said it better than I could:


    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From Bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage."

    -Alexander Tyler


    We already tax the top +/- 50% to pay for the bottom +/- 50%, I guess it only stood to reason that someday the 90% might go after the 10%ers, or the 99% might go after the 1%ers.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that we have a huge spending problem - in particular with copper top ... aka "princess with a credit card" - just like Reagan.

    Of course those who have all the money should pay most of the taxes. The question is "do they pay their fair share".

    At the end of the day - spending is what spending is. The Question is who should pay for this spending and why. Saying "spend less" is not a solution for money that has already been spent.
     
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    Return to the Marginal Tax rates of the 50s/60s/70s. Return to the same credits/deductions that made so that you either invested in your company, or the Govt takes a massive cut of it. Treat all income the same (no more cap gains, etc..) and make it standard for all US citizens no matter where you live geographically.
     
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    I support you paying higher taxes.
     
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    And the first volley to a Dictatorship is removing everyone's guns and then putting the govt in control of all our health. So once people can't defend themselves or keep themselves healthy without the govts say so, look who steps in...a smiling happy Progressive claiming certain people shouldn't be allowed to think a certain way or have certain opinions. They can only talk a certain way and act a certain way. Those that don't agree need to be dealt with, harassed, ridiculed, embarrassed, ashamed. Those in charge might even start looking alike, wear certain clothing. Hmmmmm. They put certain people in front of others. Give some benefits while ignoring others. Picking and choosing favorites=) Even the media gets involved, scripting the narrative...Controlling the most information and silencing anyone who doesn't fall in line. Sounds familiar...
     
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    Socialist policies is much more popular with Americans than Trump and the rest of the Trumpettes would like to believe.
     
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    Trump's tax cuts has resulted in many people paying higher taxes through an artificial manipulation of the tax withholdings.
     
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    When they pay my rate, I'll give a ****
     
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    Not really, but no one is very fond of the Bezos/Soros/Gates/Buffett/Koch/Steyer... super rich and their skill at tax avoidance is legendary.

    The political class will always give them the tax code they are willing to pay for. Only a one page flat tax system would keep them honest.
    The impossible dream.
     
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    Tax increases on the wealthy have always passed state propositions here.
     
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    You never vote for your taxes to increase
     
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    People with more money have bigger bills so of course they pay their fair share.

    Or are you now going to dictate values to people and say they don't really need a 200,000 mortgage payment?

    Are you going to be the one who tells everyone how much is enough money they should be allowed to have?
     
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    It doesn't take a mathematician to understand that the amount of taxes needed to truly pay down to debt happens one taxing the uber rich.
     
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    So shouldn't that make liberals love Trump?
     
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    Thank god. I thought our bloated, overly intrusive, incompetent government was something we can fix. I guess I can stop worrying about it and just enjoy the bloat.
     
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    https://www.cagw.org/reporting/pig-book

    Waste, fraud and abuse in Government.
     
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    the rich already pay a higher %.. thats how tax brackets work..
     
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    Ironic that immoral people want to be the moral compass.
     
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    How does "bigger bills" equate to paying their fair share ? This is called non sequitur fallacy = It does not follow = That A is true does not equal B is true if you want to get mathematical ;)
     
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    So in your view someone should only earn enough money for themselves to a predetermined point, by you, then the rest they should give to the state?

    So where will you set that limit?

    Tell us how much someone is allowed to spend on themselves before you decide it's enough and you take it from them?
     
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    If a man has earned 10 million when he's 40 but he has 15 million in debt and another man has earned 100,000 when he's 40 and has 50,000 available, debt free, tell me who has more money?
     
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    I did not say or infer any of the above. Quit making up gibberish and attributing it to me. If you can not come up with a coherent answer to the straight forward questions then just say you don't know and I will give you the answers - ones you will not be able to contest btw.
     

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