Fox News Poll: Most back gun restrictions after shootings, Trump ratings down

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  1. Polydectes

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    So go get two-thirds of the Congress and two-thirds of the states to agree with you and then you can amend the Second Amendment.

    I wish you luck.
     
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    Yeah that's the rub. our founding fathers were pretty smart when they started this country. and then people would want to try and take our rights away. So you have to get two-thirds of the Congress and two-thirds of the states to agree to amend the Constitution.

    This is going to be very unlikely.
     
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    No the AR-15 is not powerful a 30 ought 6 is about 5 times as powerful and it is not considered an assault weapon.

    they're not for military they were never made for military they were always made for civilian use.

    And it doesn't matter what I'm using it for. It's my right to own it.
     
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    You have some ideas here and I'm going to explain to you why they won't work.

    First insurance. Requiring me to buy insurance to exercise a right is an infringement on my right. So that'll get struck down in Supreme Court probably unanimously.

    Stricter background checks or background checks on person-to-person sales are unenforceable. I'm not against them her say I just don't know how they're going to happen.

    first off the government doesn't know if somebody has a gun so they don't know if somebody sells the gun so how are they going to know if they did the background check?

    there is no way to register a gun there is no gun registry and there should never be registering a gun as a violation of the Second Amendment. The only reason for a registry is confiscation. And you shouldn't be charged with anything if someone steals it from you and uses it in a crime.

    You can't treat it like a car you don't have the right to keep a car. You have the right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    You many want it

    But if the thundering mass of rainless liberals decides to take all the guns you wont stand in the way
     
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    Facts and logic have no place in leftwing decision making
     
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    Can you describe what an 'assault weapon' is?
     
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    Its doubtful that he can

    What liberals want is a complete UK style ban of gun ownership
     
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    What are you talking about?? its a damn .223 round. it's nowhere near "ridiculously too powerful". I would certainly use it for self defense in a house. Ive used them for many years in urban environments and never had a problem. and it is an outstanding varmint rifle. Admit it, you just don't like it because it is black and scary looking. If we put a nice wooden stock on it would it be ok?
     
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    firing faster means they are not applying the fundamentals of marksmanship, which means they are missing. Get someone who is taking their time, watching their breathing, slow smooth squeeze of the trigger, proper sight alignment and sight picture.... that is when the body count gets high. If you think high rate of fire equals high lethality, you play too much call of duty. A lever action in the hands of someone who actually knows how to shoot would be more deadly than an AR in the hands of someone who is just firing rapidly.
     
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    Drugs are a problem world wide, guns are not indicating they are no so easy to manufacture outside of large commercial organizations. Like I said, it probably won’t eliminate them but would severely limit them.
     
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    Just because you keep repeating it doesn’t make it accurate.
    Most Democrats as of polling done early 2019 are against illegal immigration
     
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    Guns don’t grow and are not easily produced without significant tooling.
     
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    I wonder how many support banning automobiles?
     
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    You may be correct but maybe not, it wasn’t long ago that we had to buy a private product just for existing...
    We already have numerous ways that your second amendment rights can be revoked so that precedent may already be set.

    I don’t see how a registry is unconstitutional as several states already require it.

    Unless you are a felon, have some medical conditions, and a whole host of other reasons.

    “A well regulated militia”, do you believe individuals are militia?

    I’m fairly pro gun but we have got to do something to get this under control.

    A national registry and layered background checks would be a good start and wouldn’t infringe on anyone’s ability to bare arms.
     
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    Thankfully most of these shooters don’t know what they are doing, they just want to inflict as much damage as possible before they go out.
     
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    Really? You're going to use a bulky high-powered rifle for home defense while your neighbors are 50 feet away, separated by a couple of sheets of drywall? No, you're not. Or at least, you won't unless you're criminally negligent or just really stupid.
     
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    You don't think a handgun round would go through a couple of sheets of drywall?
     
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    There was an "assault weapons" ban already and it statistically showed no results. Long rifle (this number includes hunting rifles) deaths account for about 2% of all homicides in the US annually. Handguns account for 47% of all homicides in this nation. Rifles are not the issue here.

    There is surely an uptick in mass shootings. Can't argue that. However, we are using the devise as the problem when we should be looking at what is causing people to want to kill like this without empathy.

    Suicides are on the rise and in all honesty, there are many who are this desperate that convince themselves "Well, if I'm going to go out, might as well take a few with me!". That is what we need to figure out... My guess is the drugs we are putting people on that dulls their senses and emotions.

    Prior to ADHD, we had not ADHD. It was hyper activeness and we got our kids into an activity so they could use that energy in a productive manner. Now we are lazy as chit and prefer to medicate and forget the issue rather than find a natural solution for our children's issues.
     
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    I've ALWAYS advocated for people who want to use a weapon to defend themselves, TRAIN, TRAIN, TRAIN! Know the weapon you chose to use for defense. Know your line of sights in your home. Know if shooting in a particular direction, what lies on the other side of that round. Because my kids bedroom are near my room, I chose to defend my house with The Judge, using 4/10 shotgun shells. It'll jack someone up at close range, but will never enter my kids room with any velocity.
     
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    Two-thirds also support a ban on “assault weapons,” although that majority is largely driven by Democrats.
     
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    Red flag laws don't do anything to help the individuals identified as unstable. They will just go out and steal/buy on the street a firearm. The only way to solve the problem with mentally unstable people is to reform the "LPS" laws.

    BTW the individual involved in Philadelphia is a career criminal who most likely obtained his firearms illegally. Bans only work with law abiding citizens.
     
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