Fox News Poll: Most back gun restrictions after shootings, Trump ratings down

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  1. FlamingLib

    FlamingLib Well-Known Member

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    That is a stupid argument because, by definition, any laws "only work with law abiding citizens".
     
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    Fox has gone over to the dark side but does not want to say so openly
     
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    So the why make it more difficult for law abiding people to defend themselves from those who do not obey the law ???

    To make any significant progress mentally unstable people must receive the help they need.
     
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    So, you admit that it is NOT a Fox News poll since they didn't conduct the poll themselves???
     
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    I'm sure that you realize that many people who live in distant, rural areas do not have neighbors who are 50 feet away.

    Additionally, I do not consider the AR-15 & M-4 variants, AK-47 etc to be either "bulky" or "high powered" since my military training required a high degree of proficiency with those & other firearms which were far more "high powered".

    You also may not have noticed but more & more criminals, home invaders etc are wearing body armor that defeats virtually all handgun rounds.

    For these reasons it is perfectly logical to chose a so called "assault rifle" for rural self defense especially if you live on a small farm, have several outbuildings and may have to engage multiple, well armed assailants for the longer period of time it takes for rural law enforcement to show up.

    Finally, I strongly believe that our government has no legal justification to restrict the right of a citizen to chose what type of firearm is suitable for his/her own particular situation.
     
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    That is an excellent point. Schools and teachers will see gun safety as promoting guns and promoting the teaching of showing kids how to shoot and will never go for it, in my opinion.
     
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    In Alabama in 1963, 3/4 of the people would have been for keeping Jim Crow. Mob rule can't be above the Constitution.
     
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    Exactly. If 5 MS 13 gang members invaded your house would you rather have a semiautomatic AR 15 with a 100 round magazine or a single shot shotgun?? No gun control fanatic has answered that question.
     
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    Thanks.

    You're not likely to get an answer to your question very soon nor are you likely to get an answer to:
    "What do you do when calling 911 just doesn't work?"

    "911 dispatcher hung up on thousands of calls because she didn't feel like talking"
     
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    Which is why worrying about how fast a weapon can fire is a waste of time. The faster it can fire, the lower the percentage of hits they make with the ammo they are carrying. It might sound more intimidating, but it is less lethal than well aimed shots.
     
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    And all we here from progressive politicians with armed bodyguards is that ‘no worries, the government will protect you’.
     
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    Probably not. Which is sad. Education removes fear of a thing. It also teaches proper handling and storage.
     
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    Actual headline reads : Fox News Poll: Most back gun restrictions after shootings, Trump ratings down.

    Yours is an outright lie - reported
     
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    What do you mean, "admit"? I have no dog in that race and both sides are as dishonest as the day is long.
     
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    And the NRA which is the global leader in safety training would be very happy to participate in a safety training program.
     
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    When I was in school, we had these programs called "intramural classes". It was a series of different classes a student to sign up for and could spend 2-3 afternoons per week in those classes. They were not your normal classes. There was rocket launching, where student would build their own model rocket and launch it. There was photography, where the student learned the art. There was motorcycle riding where student would bring their motorcycles in and other students that did not have the luxury of riding motorcycles could learn. There was even gun classes, where student could learn gun safety and shoot guns at a range.

    These classes were offered from 7th grade up. Try having some of those classes today.
     
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    Ugh. They have become so politicized that I would never want a membership for that organization.

    yeah, it's ridiculous. Though, unfortunately a lot of that requires funding for teachers and equipment. Good luck in todays cut-cut-cut mentality.
     
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    If I remember correctly, all items were student provided or donated by local businesses. Student brought in their own motorcycle, guns, or camera, etc.....or local business provided some supplies. There was also a cost to the student for some of the classes (but not all). For instance, the model rocket class required the "kit" to be purchased. These "classes" were done during school hours, so the teachers were already funded...or maybe they volunteered. Though I can see where it might lengthen the school year a little, as the regular classes could not be taught while the intramural classes were ongoing. IIRC, these classes were normally held in the last 2-3 months of the school year and I think it was 2 days a week.
     
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    IMO the left has completely misrepresented what they stand for and do. It is the progressive left that has politicized the NRA.
     
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    It is sad. Education needs to be redone, IMO.

    We had them too, they were invaluable. I did the rocket launching as well and it was where I learned to shoot a bow and arrow, safely. It's also where I got my first taste of the stock market and developed a love for Chess. IMO, these classes were invaluable and give a broader, real world, experience that other classes couldn't.
     
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    I forgot about the bow & arrow, stocks, and chess. Those were some of the classes as well. There was also Personal Finance, Cooking (outside of Home Ec.) Weight Lifting, and Rock climbing. Basically classes that were fun for children and occupied their time.

    I wonder how much of an impact the removal of these programs have on the nature of children wanting to kill innocent strangers in crowded areas.
     
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    Really?? Interesting. Up in Rural AB, we honestly didn't have much like that. In grade 9 we got 'home ec' which was half sewing and half cooking.

    When I moved to Lethbridge for grade 11 and 12, I think the public school across the street offered mechanics courses and the like. My catholic school did not :(

    I graduated 2001 for reference.

    Not really. Wayne Lapierre has been a terrible overseer of the NRA. Prior to him, the NRA was sufficiently defensive of Guns and Gun Rights, but not to the end that Wayne has taken it. If he goes, and they return to their prior dealings, I'd be more inclined to support them.

    Yeah, but I doubt it will be. Not at this stage of things. Personally I think that funding needs to be shifted out of property taxes and moved to the regular budgeting that other depts have. Or, shift the funding from property taxes to the budgets of Education and have them funded more directly. Poorer areas shouldn't get less money simply because they are poorer.

    Nice. That would have been amazing to deal with in school.
     
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    Perhaps maybe Fox, unlike many others news agencies, isn't so biased to the point that they won't publish things that their viewers may not particularly like?

    I'd like to see more detail on the poll such as the area where it was conducted, demographics, etc. But a poll is a poll, no news agency should withhold information because their particular viewers may not like results. According to the article it seems that the 2/3rds in support of semi-auto ban were mostly Democrats.
     
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    You are buying into to the propaganda.

    Every school child should be given s voucher.
     
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    Because today's law-abiding gun owner is tomorrow's mass shooter. That's the whole point of laws: you don't know who's going to break them, so we all have to follow them because of a few bad apples.
     

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