Fox NewsTucker Carlson,Hannity court rules no obligation to state facts.

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  1. 61falcon

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    A Dirty Donald appointed Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil who has thrown out the defamation case against Fox News Tucker Carlson, brought by former Playboy model Karen McDougal, out of court. Her reason for doing it is what makes this decision interesting. She ruled that any REASONABLE PERSON should not actually believe anything Tucker Carlson and by extension Sean Hannity,say on their shows is actually TRUE. He is not stating facts on his show,he is engaging" in exaggeration, and non literal commentary and no one should believe him.
    In other words folks Tucker Carlson and Hannity deal in pure unadulterated BULLSHIT.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this news or just more ramblings?
     
  3. 61falcon

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    It's the judges ruling in the case against Fox and Carlson. They are under no obligation to tell the truth, and do not.
     
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    Apparently no one cares that Carlson and Hannity lie like a rug???
     
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    From the case briefing:

    Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual. Second, Fox News argues that Ms. McDougal has failed to allege actual malice. For the purposes of this Motion, no other issues are in play.

    She accepted their argument that he was giving an opinion commentary on THAT specific segment of the show. Which he was.
     
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    Read the basis for her opinion, these shows are entertainment to a gullible audience and in no way fact based.
     
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    They don't care. They don't even care that the President* of the United States is a pathological liar. Much less pseudo-journalists like those. They only care about finding somebody who tells them what they want to hear. That way they don't have to come out of their fantasy land to take a peek at reality. The real world is too "scary" for too many people.
     
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    So Fox alleges that anybody who takes anything Carlson, Hannity... say as "factual" is not reasonable.

    And a judge who was appointed by Trump agrees with them.
     
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    There you go. You claim how gullible we must be and then you use an exaggeration cannot possibly be true.
     
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    No. On THAT specific episode as it was presented as an opinion piece.
     
  11. 61falcon

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    NO, she said REASONABLE PEOPLE know they are not dealing in FACTS on their shows.
     
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    With no link to the actual opinion from the Judge can we take this thread as serious?
     
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    Which broadcast was it...got a link?
     
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    Facts and opinions are not the same thing. When you are stating an opinion, it is only an opinion. It is your best guess. When you state something as factual, you are claiming you have evidence that is true.
     
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    Here's the actual Court Ruling: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7216968/9-24-20-McDougal-v-Fox-Opinion.pdf

    The lawsuit was over a statment by Carlson, where she alleged he accused her of the crime of extortion

    "Remember the facts of the story. These are undisputed. Two women approached Donald Trump and threatened to ruin his career and humiliate his family if he doesn’t give them money. Now, that sounds like a classic case of extortion."

    Now a few things, the Court found 1) he never even used her name 2) the statements were "rhetorical hyperbole and opinion commentary intended to frame a political debate, and as such, are not actionable as defamation,"

    The Court did not rule that you can't believe what they report...but there is a clear differnence between news, and commentary

    This was just a frivilous lawsuit, with McDougal trying to get rich quick
     
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    It is ANY of their broadcasts!!!!
     
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    NEW YORK (AP) — A Manhattan judge has tossed out a defamation lawsuit against Fox News brought by the former Playboy model who took a $150,000 payoff to squelch her story of an affair with a pre-presidency Donald Trump.

    Karen McDougal had alleged in the suit filed late last year that Fox host Tucker Carlson slandered her by calling the payout “a classic case of extortion.” U.S. District Court Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil ruled on Thursday that McDougal failed to prove that Carlson was accusing her of an actual crime in a way that would back up a defamation claim.
    https://apnews.com/article/new-york...ren-mcdougal-6e58ba1e14c18720a70b55a8fe7027e6

    How do you deflect attention away from Trump's adulterous affairs for which he illegally conspired to pay hush money in order to defraud the American voters?

    You change the subject of discussion by accusing the recipient of the hush money payment of extortion.
     
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    What's the difference with any other episode?
     
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    In case you didn't know their shows are opinion shows. And the suit was thrown out for the same reason that the lawsuit against Rachael Maddow was thrown out. They are opinion shows.
     
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    They are opiniated talk show hosts who have a particular political slant to their opinions and commentary. They are not FACT CONSTRAINED and they are targeting a gullible audience.
     
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    Interesting...one could say that about you....I mean you wrote an OP and titled this thread,....I guess hoping nobody would read the opinion and find out it doesn't say those things
     
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    Just hilarious to think about all the right-wing plebs who actually believe tucky and college-dropout hannity are the best news sources...
     
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    They're not news sources. They are political news commentators. No one has ever claimed that they were the best news sources. The only ones that claim that are liberals and leftists that try to knock conservatives. But just because they are political news commentators also does not mean that they do not have facts. We here at the forum also show our opinions and base them off of facts. Be they liberal or conservative. We're actually no different than Hannity or Maddow or any other political news commentators.

    Now watch your comeback being something along the lines of derogatory comments about conservatives and facts blah blah blah. You can skip it. I've heard it before. And so have conservatives.
     
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    Exactly. Same as any other in any other political talk show no matter the affiliation.
     
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    I agree but SADLY many amongst us BELIEVE what they hear on there shows are factual when that couldn't be further from the truth.
     

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