Fr. General Gaumard Said US Provided False Inf False Info. About Russian Invasion

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    French Gen. Gaumard accused US of providing false information and stirring tensions about a Russian invasion. Nato disregarded French intelligence under pressure from Washington. When Kiev in turn provided information that there were over seven thousand Russians troops in Donbas, Washington picked it up without any evidence...as is usually the case. Gen. Breedlove who is known for his hallucinating, never stopped talking about a Russian build up on the border.


    "We had indeed established that the Russians did not set up any command points, no rear infrastructure, including field hospitals, which are necessary for a military intervention, meanwhile the divisions of the second echelon never left their location," - said the General.

    The General has accused the U.S. of stirring tensions in the region. According to him, using their chief position in NATO, the US. intelligence provided false information about the invasion of Russian military forces in Ukraine.


    "NATO, under the pressure from U.S. officials, disregarded the opinion of the French Directorate of Intelligence, which did not confirm these assumptions,," - said Christophe Gaumard.

    The commander of Allied armed forces of NATO in Europe, Philip Breedlove, repeatedly talked about the build-up of Russian military presence on the border with Ukraine. Kiev authorities, for their part, proclaimed that there was not less than seven thousand Russian troops in Donbass. This thesis was readily picked up in Washington. However, no evidence of this claim was ever presented.


    http://www.rg.ru/2015/04/11/razvedka-ukraina-site.html

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/french-intelligence-usa-lied-about.html
     
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    If this is true then it is really telling, Jeanette. I can find no other sources for it other than the two you reference, however.

    General Gomart is a special forces soldier and is regarded as distinguished.
     
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    "IF" true...all it does is state that the Russian incursion is not as extreme as thought, Yet it still confirms it is taking place.

    Try as you might folks, you cannot convince the world it is hallucinating the Russian aggressions.
     
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    lol ... another breathless 'report' from the world famous and objective Russian 'press' ... speaking of hallucinations ... Is this the French military that babbled that ridiculous nonsense about how 'France is alone at the Front on the war on terrorism' or something like that when they had to bum rides from other countries to get to Mali and the 'Front'? ... Hilarious stuff.
     
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    As usual Tecoyah, you miss the telling point altogether.

    If true, what it would tell us is that the US actively deceived their NATO allies in order to get their support for sanctions against Russia which they were hesitant about in the first place.

    And if true, we can aggregate to that to the deceptive strategy of the US's immediate belief (despite US intelligence saying otherwise) - and consequent propaganda campaign - in the Ukrainian propaganda story that Russia was responsible for shooting down an international airliner in Ukrainian airspace. It did not.
     
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    Golly...nothing like basing your propaganda on assumptions about assumptions, but I suppose it does not matter what you base them upon.....does it.

    One hell of a big IF.
     
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    Or maybe French intelligence is so behind the curve that they can't verify anything near like we can.

    If so it's a good thing the world doesn't have to rely on French sources for its security.
     
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    Most of the news services in the west are under Washington's control, so the news is very limited. I'm sure it's correct because Spiegel which has always been a propaganda piece for Washington, admitted that Breedlove was hallucinating when he said that Russia was invading Ukraine with tanks, etc., since non of the German Intelligence agents could find anything...nor could the American ones they spoke to.

    What I found the most frightening is that Victoria Nuland presented the same lies to the Senate Foreign Relations committee, and not one person on the committee had the courage and integrity to contradict her.
     
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    Actually I haven't been totally honest. I knew there was no Russian invasion right from the start because there was no evidence. I didn't need to find out from German Intelligence. The same as with the airplane shoot down. Besides when Kiev was throwing out their usual lies about Russian invasions, the OSCE said otherwise.
     
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    Look, I am an American. I served in viet nam. I volunteered to do that. Now, with that said, my nation has turned into the evil empire. We cannot be trusted, we are run by treasonous men who are bought and sold, bribed by our oligarchs, and our media would make Goebels really proud for we have taken propaganda to new heights, even as the average American is clueless.

    This deal with Russia probably involved our cia, and a Nazi regime replaced a duly elected leader for the Ukraine. We would rather have a Nazi regime in place in the Ukraine, who will give our oligarchs what they want, than to have the other guy in who was on decent terms with Russia.

    My country, the men who run it, are treasonous, traitorous bastards, who have ruling over an oligarchy, having murdered our republic. Both political parties are complicit in this, and average americans have zero representation, as proven by the Princeton Study which MSM went out of their way not to cover, to spill the beans on the truth of what America has turned into.

    America is no longer the good guy with the white hat folks. She has turned into the same kind of entity that we lost so many American lives defeating in ww2. We have become what our enemies were. This is so clear and obvious, yet brain dead americans, who have allowed themselves to be divided into the right and the left, with MSM constantly throwing gas on this division is contrived, intentional and nefarious, all in the interest of our oligarchy.

    I am glad I am older than dirt, for I don't have much time left, and honestly, getting out of this evil empire will finally be a relief, and I will not have to watch it anymore, as I have watched my nation totally lose its character, its goodness, and its integrity as our republic was destroyed. God bless America? No sir, *******n America. For she has a good damning a coming. And it will come. Hopefully there are enough good men and women left to rise from the ashes of this rotten, corrupt oligarchy, which war mongers for profit. And perhaps we can get back to a real republic, that has no desire to be an evil empire so a few of our elites can get richer.
     
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    I know it's hard, but we have to keep blessing America. Maybe that way God will clean up Washington and we can get our country back. Here's an excerpt from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Pres. Reagan's former economic minister:

    The stark reality is that America, which wore the White Hat during the Cold War, now wears the Black Hat, and Russia and China have traded the Black Hat for the White Hat. The hope for mankind no longer resides in the West, which has entered a militarized gestapo existence conducting war against its own citizens and the world at large.

    Aggression is the hallmark of 21st century Washington and its captive European vassal states. There has not been a 21st century year without slaughter of innocents by “Western civilization.”


    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/04/12/hope-horizon-comes-greece-paul-craig-roberts/

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    russian disinformazia, i.e. bull(*)(*)(*)(*)

    here is what gaumard really said:

    Général Christophe Gomart. Nous avons d’excellentes relations avec le commandant suprême allié Transformation (SACT) et les notes de renseignement de la DRM alimentent d’ailleurs la réflexion de l’OTAN. En septembre prochain, le général Denis Mercier va succéder au général Jean-Paul Paloméros à ce poste.

    La vraie difficulté avec l’OTAN, c’est que le renseignement américain y est prépondérant, tandis que le renseignement français y est plus ou moins pris en compte – d’où l’importance pour nous d’alimenter suffisamment les commanders de l’OTAN en renseignements d’origine française. L’OTAN avait annoncé que les Russes allaient envahir l’Ukraine alors que, selon les renseignements de la DRM, rien ne venait étayer cette hypothèse – nous avions en effet constaté que les Russes n’avaient pas déployé de commandement ni de moyens logistiques, notamment d’hôpitaux de campagne, permettant d’envisager une invasion militaire et les unités de deuxième échelon n’avaient effectué aucun mouvement. La suite a montré que nous avions raison car, si des soldats russes ont effectivement été vus en Ukraine, il s’agissait plus d’une manœuvre destinée à faire pression sur le président ukrainien Porochenko que d’une tentative d’invasion.

    http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/cr-cdef/14-15/c1415049.asp

    for the french intelligence there were russian soldiers in donbass but it was not a large scale invasion of ukraine involving reserves as us intelligence feared.
     
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    Lies are standard procedure for the US. Lies are the preferred way of speaking for many or maybe most US officials and politicians, if not all of them. The ones that do tell the truth get fired one way or another.

    Once you know that, you can properly judge their specious drivel.

    Lies that harm people are the ones condemned by nature's God, Jesus Christ.

    A positive view of the 10 Commandments would be, honor thy neighbor's life, his property, his security, and his right to the truth.
    In other words, Love thy neighbor as thyself, and you will be loving God.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course there are Russian volunteers in the Donbas, everyone knows that. When Kiev accused Russia of another one of its invasions to cover up their own incompetence, the OSCE said that they were entering with uniforms but were unarmed. They would then pick up arms and go to another place to test them out. These volunteers were never under Russian command, although I'm sure they had some logistic support.

    As for American Intelligence, I'm not too sure they agree with Washington's assessments. I know they didn't with the shooting of the airliner...according to the investigative reporter Robert Parry of Consortiumnews, and I know they didn't with General Breedlove's and Victoria Nuland's latest Russian invasion.

    Anyway I have not found any of the Russian sites to be faulty, but the spin in the Western media makes me sick to my stomach. I won't even go on them. Of course when justice is on one's side, there is no reason to lie.

     

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