Fracking banned in UK as government makes major U-turn

About time too!

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...banned-in-uk-as-government-makes-major-u-turn

Fracking banned is fracking banned and the issue dealt with. However it would have been worthwile to also speak about the concern of the link between fracking and methane emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...causing-rise-in-methane-emissions-study-finds

Will the US be next to ban Fracking? From time to time I read it is causing grave problems for people in the US as well as obviously the mutual responsibility we all have towards leaving the planet fit for the next people.

 

What about a drilling ban?
THAT releases methane too.

I foresee a wonderful future where we have banned
vaccines
GM technology
commercial fishing
sports fishing
timber harvesting
gas
coal
uranium
nuclear fission
airports
irrigation
aircraft
cars
plastic
wood
metal
mines
freeways
high voltage power lines
chemicals
shipping containers
powered boats
shooting
etc

AND all the social issues that hold us back like transgenderism,
sexism, gay boy sex, casual marriage, polygamy, polyandry, big
corporations, little corporations, private enterprise etc..

Going to be a wonderful world.

 

Fracking is what has led to the reduction of co2 emissions in the USA.

Can't be against fracking and complain about climate change

 

Certainly some of the things you chose will not be possible in any credible future.

The future if following your position would be mass wars leading almost certainly to human extinction.

We had the chance to make the changes while we could still have a world as good as we inherited. Unfortunately instead of doing it we used the time to create our worse pollution. The world of the future, if there is one will be much more fraught with weather danger and many people will of course lose their homes. It is just a race now to see what we can salvage while life on earth is still possible.


While American Fracking is now believed to be one of the if main if not the main sources in current methane emissions the British Government has chosen to ban it due to the danger it will cause to the people of England. Franking in Scotland had already a temporary ban and has extended it but people are saying it is time for a permanent one. It seems somewhat negligent of ones own people to make money while causing them misfortune, though obviously with methane emissions they are knowingly potentially making the earth uninhabitable for humans.

 

That is what you think.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...causing-rise-in-methane-emissions-study-finds

It would be true to say there is some opposition to this position. However we are now so near the cliff edge we do not have room for experiments. We need to set up some world body which has the ability to put massive punishments on any person, company or country found guilt of ecoside.

The good news is that methane dissipates fairly quickly compared to CO2 I think it takes around 20 years.

so if the US stopped fracking we could see a fairly quick improvement in that area.

 

I strongly disagree! There needs to be No global bodies with any authority over anyone.

 

Never mind the heavy handedness part of it which was what I was speaking of and which will be necessary, we will still need to come together. If some countries are prepared to commit ecoside they need the harshest punishments. There is no worse crime which any person or country can commit. Killing one person is bad enough, killing scores of people even worse but being prepared to risk the lives of everyone on earth, that cannot be allowed. There will at some time be something of this kind set in. Economist Mark Blyth believes that once it is blatantly obvious to everyone what is happening, the people who have been profiting from fossil fuels for the past thirty years, while paying people to send out lies pretending there is no problem, will be made to pay. Good enough idea only by that time it almost certainly will be too late - remember it takes 20-30 years for the effect of our pollution to hit us.

It would be better having a world authority to sort this out. I mean a country could actually have a President who was one of those lying.

I heard only yesterday that we are currently having the rate of release of methane from the Arctic which was not expected until 2070. This is the norm. What happens is always well worse than the worse projections. We need to get to zero emissions asap. The UK Labour Party is not promising but will aim for 2030. Extinction Rebellion suggests 2025.

The other reason why we almost certainly will need an authority like the UN, though different, will be to deal with it all on a worldwide level. Many of the countries who will be first affected will be those with the least and who have contributed the least. We will need to make sure that they get sufficient water and food and work all that out. Lots of other things could do better with us working together. At least the two worst producers, the US and China are also the richest countries in the world so it should be possible for them to provide sufficient money to pay for their past recklessness.

Don't get me wrong there is plenty of room for people to decide how to deal with things in their own country in their own way but we are also going to have to work together on big worldwide projects and to come together to help those in most need.

We will either come together, grow up and build a better world or human extinction will come while we are fighting. Thankfully empathy is part of the human condition and so there is hope. I know some people do not have empathy but I think that is because they have been hurt too much in this life and have turned their feelings, though not emotions, off.

 

Nope i am 100% opposes to global authorities...

 

I hope I'm wrong, but this seems to be a bit o' lip service from Johnson. They say they will judge any new applications "on its own merits".

 

I used to watch an amateur geologist called Dutchsense on YouTube who has proven to be about 98% accurate in predicting earthquakes world wide. When he gets to the US, other than predicting when and where a large earthquake will hit, he pin points the smaller ones that occurred through satellite images and there are always hundreds if not thousands of fracking installations. It's really upsetting because no one knows what they're doing to the earth.

Many of them are in volcanic fields in California and the West Coast, and even on a super volcano that they didn't know existed at the time. According to Dutchsense the holes they drill cannot be closed and are now weak points so there will always be earthquakes.

There is though one major benefit to this. When the underground magma starts flowing east wards, the pressure is released in the fracking areas of Texas and Oklahoma and cause minimal if any damage. This release keeps pressure from building up at the New Madrid fault on the Mississippi.

To those not in the know, the New Madrid fault earthquakes in 1811 caused church bells to ring 1,000 miles away in Boston. A town sunk and became a lake and the Mississippi River ran backwards. The shaking went on for 6 months but fortunately the area was sparsely populated. If it were to happen today it would affect the cities of Memphis, St. Louis, Little Rock and Evansville and unlike California, they are ill prepared. It would also affect the bridges across the Mississippi and cut off the major food supplies to the East coast.

 

The freedom of men is more important than the sustaining the current climate.

 

What good is freedom if the ground beneath your feet and the planet you live on will not sustain human life?

 

What good is a human life that isn't free?

 

Oh I missed that. What I did see was

It is expected that Johnson is going to be promising people the moon until after the election.

and you are right. Johnson has no problems saying things which he knows are not true eg our NHS is not up for sale in any deal with the US.

There has been an incredibly strong push against Fracking in the UK though. They really would need to show something had changed to make it safe. Far better to put the money into renewables and nuclear fusion.

 

You have the freedom to make mistakes which harm you. You do not have the freedom to knowingly make mistakes which harm others.

 

That's why i don't do it.

Allowing an international body to have authority over America harms Americans.

Carbon tax? Harms Americans
Over regulation of industry? Harms Americans.

So the international fear mongers can go dig a 6 foot deep hole and jump in..

 

Every country could say the same thing. In that case there wouldn't be any international law. Actually the Hague and the UN were meant to prevent wars, but rather than complying with them and setting an example to the world, we have gone totally rogue and either ignore international law, or use our economic power to blackmail and control the decisions they make.

That the Americans are not aware of these things, has to do with our corporate owned media. They cover up and lie!

The US is starting to decline, and we might end up suffering the consequences of an outlawness that we began. As an example, right now Turkey is ignoring past treaties and is making claims on the sovereign rights of other nations. They are using military might to hinder nations such as France and Italy from drilling in waters that they have rights to. Are they doing anything different than what we've been doing? I don't think so.

Fight and strife is my name
and chaos is my game.

I gear them all to kill and maim
and give them cause to do the same

to us - eventually! - Jeannette


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I made clear that the US would be free to do things in their own way but that there are some places where we will need to come together. Despite having a President who lies about things, I notice the US is full of honourable people working for the future.

In time those who choose not to do this will face appropriate punishments like other criminals do now. As long as the US is not itself working to harm others it will have no need of outside interference. This is a situation where we all work together or we all fail. Failing is not an option.

 

There is no such thing as a crime against the planet. The planet in an inanimate object with no rights. What you are talking about doing is wrong and evil.

If people choose not to live up to your expectations for treatment of the planet that is none of your business even if those people actually were able to destroy it.. lol or even if it were in their ability to save it. Which they is not.

Ohh and d i drive a hybrid with that really nasty battery that destroys the planet to make

 

FUSION will solve all of the worlds energy problems if they can only iron out the wrinkles.

 

You are correct but not for long.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2419924474766483

Posting in a political forum is wrong and evil? Then why are you doing it. Using the world as a disposable object and not leaving it there for the next generation is what I would call wrong - I don't like the word 'evil' but if you insist.

Oh don't worry, I do not think I am god. I am just talking about the probably near future. Laws change due to conditions. The US since the turn of the century has got its way with wars. Wars now are obscene as they massively increase climate deterioration. Given that, we may need some international laws which are enforceable. Up above you can see the seriousness with which things are likely to be taken.

 

They were saying much the same on the news. People are apparently expecting things to change back to Fracking OK on the 13th Dec if there is a Tory win on Dec 12th. I remain optimistic.

 

The only thing I'm concerned about is the plastic - which is a by product of the oil companies. Have you noticed that from the time recycling started, that plastics have become thicker and thicker and their usage more prevalent. The oceans are so full of plastics now that they have formed islands in the Pacific. Every fish we eat has plastic in them so we're consuming it as well.

My daughter went to her apartment in Athens after about 2 years and her plastic bags had dissolved and turned into dust. Ours are forever. I mean they can't make refrigerators and stoves to last forever, but when it comes to plastics then it's a different story.

The EU has some good laws, especially when it comes to foods. Let's just say our government cares more about spending money on wars, than it does in protecting the American people.

 

Exactly I have seen documentaries on Americans with all kinds of problems concerning this. We do though know that fossil fuels are destroying this planet. The money should have been put into renewables and Nuclear Fusion

Insanity. I strongly get the feeling fracking is not popular with the general people in the US just like it is not with same here. The US does not seem strong on listening to its people.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/14/fracking-hell-live-next-shale-gas-well-texas-us

That article above is on Texas

The US is due to lose several cities by 2100 - read 2050 or earlier. They can't keep raising them us as they are in places like Miami now.

 

my problem isn't with environmental regulation it's a matter of national sovereignty. I don't want the EU or any other country to have more control over America.