France and Germany to Develop New European Fighter Jet

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  1. TeaAddict

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    Good for them.
     
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    But when you judge cultures by your own standards, and try to impose those standards on others as being superior, then are you any different than the Muslim Salafists. That's how they feel too.

    Of course no one has the right to enter another person's land and impose their culture on them... whether it's the West in the Middle East, or the Muslims in Europe. But ask yourself why are they doing it? What happened to their homes, their businesses, their jobs?

    Those Syrians don't want to stay in your freezing climate, nor do they want your way of life. I know Syrians who were moving back before certain elements in the West decided to destroy their country. So how about restoring those countries back to what they were originally so they can leave, and then apologize for what you and all of us did to them.
     
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    My guess is that you know nothing about aviation, nor the process by which they are built.

    You base this on what? The fact that its the most advanced multi-role in the world? Does it have issues? Of course it does. Most of those issues caused by Govt demanding a one size fits all airplane.

    Glock are Austrian and some are made in the US.
    Sig is Swiss
    Ruger is American

    VERY few military units, almost exclusively special forces, are using the HK416. I never saw a single rifle outside of the Colt M4 or M16 in use.

    Its actually a lot more than 4 countries that have purchased, or plan to purchase the f35. Those 4 countries are the ones that participated in development.


    Have they cast it aside? Can the Euros design test, and build a 5th gen fighter in only 7 years? Im guessing no unless they plan to purchase an existing airplane like the F35 and just use their own avionics package.
     
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    I think that's the geist pretty much everywhere on the globe these days.
     
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    Yet it isn't allied enough to buy into that f-35 scam. Neither is Canada.
     
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    Canada is admittedly a second rate military that has no real use for the F35. France is France. If it comes to a war, we expect them to surrender anyways.

    F35 is an offensive multi role, its not well suited for defense. Getting 3-4 4th gen per 5th gen is far more economical for fighting over friendly ground.
     
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    Real serious talk there. Worthy of my days in Detskiy Sad 442A in my hometown.


    Well. And now I'm sad. I rechecked building on map to get proper name - turns out now there instead of kindergarden I spent year of my childhood in is a private school. Aw.
     
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    Yeah well, it's a pretty ignorant thing to write, but nonetheless fully expected.

    Canada has a first-rate military of limited size. Our units are every bit comparable to yours. But you are right in writing that we have no use for the F-35.

    Even in real combat theatres, they can put much more airborne time than the US "5th gen" divas. Furthermore when it's for beating the sht out of third-world nations.
     
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    The poverty and corruption went on in the 1990's with the Harvard boys who went in to help Russia adjust to a free market economy. Billions were stolen from Russia and sent out of the country, and Clinton and the media loved them then. If the Federation broke up the way they wanted it to, and if the corporations were able to buy up the wealth and keep them in poverty like Africa, then they would have loved Russia even more. But it didn't!

    Any Russian who trusts anything or anyone coming out of the West has to be an idiot.
     
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    Individual russians can be honorful people. But in general i have a very low opinion about your country.

    It is poor. It has massive organized crime up to the government. Its primitive on many levels. It has nothing to offer others.
     
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    We plan, develop and build airlines like the A380 and A350 in 5 years. And those are far more complex than any fighter jet. There is more technology in an A380 than in a F35. You should keep in mind that your military corporations rule over your government. So they exploit your taxes
     
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    Actually many Arabs do have blue eyes, but that's neither here nor there. You don't look German though. The last German on the forum was half Italian... and he was very racist. Are you half Italian?
     
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    Ok:rolleyes:, Glock is Austrian, Adolf Hitler came from there, 100% people speak German, strong catholics, same neighborhood!
    Sig is Swiss, fine, German name, majority speak or can understand German in Switzerland.
    Ruger, OK yes, made in US, German immigrants.

    State police around here, and ND, NE, MN, MT from what I saw were using SIG's, I have one myself Sig 45. Not saying all throughout US use.
    And from what I understood Delta tried out HKs, don't know if in use. Yes, army, marines, rangers, use M16s.
     
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    Cute - but not charming. Smells too much of stereotypes and arrogance.

    As for having "nothing to offer" - you should've told that to Reiter in 1995 and to Gerst in 2014 when they were going to missions on ISS. Apparently they got there on non-real imaginary rockets.

    And I assume your country pays 18.500.000.000$ for imaginary imports from Russia.
    http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/rus/
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Reiter
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gerst
     
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/navy-tough-decisions-1.3649643

    http://globalnews.ca/news/3424089/harjit-sajjan-military-underfunded/



    They carry more gas, but the chances of actually being airborne longer is debatable. Stealth capability is required for a modern battlefield.
     
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    Will your jet be better than the S35?

     
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    So what you are really saying is that everything you stated was wrong.


    And my next firearm purchase will be a Sig P220TB and either socom or gemtech suppressor.
     
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    Ok:rolleyes:, Glock is Austrian, Adolf Hitler came from there, 100% people speak German, strong catholics, same neighborhood!
    Sig is Swiss, fine, German name, majority speak or can understand German in Switzerland.
    Ruger, OK yes, made in US, German immigrants.

    State police around here, and ND, NE, MN, MT from what I saw were using SIG's, I have one myself Sig 45. Not saying all throughout US use.
    And from what I understood Delta tried out HKs, don't know if in use. Yes, army, marines, rangers, use M16s

    Those rockets you speak of.....have some distant German roots to them also, there's a book by Kurt Magnus, titled "Raketenskalven" or rocket slaves in German, 1994 publication, I've read it back in 2002, good read, and it'll offer good insight into your country's rocket and space program til today, and who the real players were.
     
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    We surrendered against german. They were among the best soldiers of history with the grande armée and the roman legion.

    Fighting german at full force before the soviets weakened them is a harder deal than fighting native americans who use bows ;).

    Furthermore, during WW1, we lost 1,3 million soldiers, it's as many that the USA lost during their whole history, and we were 6 time less populated than the US.

    And then people wonder why USA are hated around the world, people like you is the answer.
     
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    No not wrong, they all have German roots built by Germans.
     
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    The A380 is almost none of the relevant tech of an F35. Almost all of the relevant tech of a larger passenger airliner involves decreasing weight without losing structural strength and more efficient engines.

    A modern 5th gen can barely fly without computer aided stabilization, and thats the easy part. The hard part is designing internal weapons bays (a major factor in lower range) that can be opened without throwing off the balance of the airplane. The then avionic packages that not only allow the planes to detect emissions, but to also absorb or mitigate them.
     
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    Switzerland is not Germany

    Austria is not Germany

    The US is not Germany
     
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    Canada army use to be good, but certain "liberal" govt(s), proceeded to destroy what was good, and current govt there is not k

    ??German speaking, German ancestry, they Germans.
     
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    Conservative govt wasnt any better.
     
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    Macron just did a dickmove to french army. After promissing to not reduce their budget, he did.

    Anyway, paradoxally, the most faithfull part of the french army is the foreign legion. Those people CHOOSE to become french and still believe in hard discipline.
    The rest have good men, but it's gangrened by what we call "french of papers".
     

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