France Orders Mosque Closed after 'Unacceptable' Preaching

It still match the definitions of 2 of the dictionnaries you mentionned.
Britannica state that "in many theocracies", "in many" doesn't mean "all", so it let room for other kind of theocracies where the power isn't kept by a clergy. However it state that the officials are "divinely guided", when rules are guided by the quran which is for muslims the word of god, then a governement is "divinely guided".

So no a theocracy isn't always a government ruled by a clergy, at least by two of the definitions you brought.

But beyond semantic debates that I'm not fond of, many muslim majority countries end to get rules inspired or made along religious, up to be ready to kill people for religious reasons or rule toward who you can marry or not. On a concrete manner, that the kind of things that matter beyond the actual denomination we gave to that kind of policies, and I want personally to stay out of that kind of abominations.

 

Your last statement is more enlightening than you may have intended it to be, for it is again a support for the idea that muslims, like any group of people, are not monolithic.

 

I understand that very well but that any significant portion would cheer on that day is enough for me to write off the lot of them.

I consider them dangerous until proven otherwise

 

We also got Christians and Jews finding it totally justified that Muslims get their real estate stolen to be bulldozered and celebrate that they get bombed when they object. Seems rather plausible that they cheer back when they see they aint alone when buildings get destroyed. It doesn't mean they claim that it's part of their religion.

 

Show me a bunch of them cheering in the streets of America the death of over 3,000 Muslims I'll wait here while you search

 

You're altering the definition of Britannica with "doesn't matter if they are ruled with a clergy or not as long as if they use religious laws", but it doesn't say that one bit. While the King of Saudi Arabia isn't divinely guided one bit. The clergy with all their knowledge passes death sentences, and the King veto's it because he feels like it.

None of them support your idea.

Yeah well. When you're white and rich in the US matters how rules in courts are able to be applied. It's different for the poor and black. People attacked the government, beat cops and got sentenced to jail for some months, a truck driver whose breaks died on him gets 110 years. But let's celebrate the fact that they aren't ruled by the bible. Well not quiet, since religious people put in laws about abortions etc with ease who are directly inspired by the bible..

 

Israeli Jews are known to celebrate the bombing of mosques, hospitals, UN buildings, entire city blocks with civilians in it,.... while having party / bbq / smoking water pipes etc. It's pure amusement.



https://www.news.com.au/world/middl...p/news-story/3138096459fa8189f349c033cef820c3
ISRAELIS are clapping and sharing popcorn from a hilltop “reality war theatre” as they watch the attack on Gaza unfold.

 

In a country where they are constantly under attack I would imagine that's not terribly surprising show me some Christians in the United States doing this

 

"Hate speech", as horrific as it might be, is not a crime. While I might personally want to march up and punch some member of the klan in the throat because they are expressing hate against blacks, or jews, or whatever the target of the week is, that doesn't change the fact that it's legal for them to say whatever it is they're saying. In fact, controversial speech is the primary reason that freedom of speech exists, because if it's not controversial, if it's Neil Degrasse Tyson talking about astrophysics on the NatGeo Channel, nobody cares.

 

Ah. So it's alright that the Jews -totally supported by the Americans in their ways- have popcorn parties when their nation for the Jew massacres Muslims. But when Muslims celebrate... it's a jaw drop. Well that put's a twist to white privilege. And I did not say the Americans celebrate it. They do fanatically support it. About 10% of the civilians who live on fresh ethnically cleansed land in the West Bank are American citizens.

 

Are YOU an American?

I'm speaking of some Muslims worldwide celebrating 911. An actual massacre.

Your whataboutism has failed.

 

Albright said when 500,000 Muslim children under the age of 5 died because she made them drink contaminated water ... that it is worth it.
How about you reflect that to not even 3,000 mostly adults who died at 9/11?

 

That wasn't a party of people celebrating bombing Muslims, it was a party watching their missle defense systems. But, any left wing photographer can take a picture and tailor it to their own agenda!

 

we did have one, the Christian that committed suicide and tried to blame it on Muslims, don't forget that one, he crashed the plane and the people died

even here they tried to blame Muslims early on

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-pilot-was-locked-out-of-the-cockpit.402472/

 

Hate speech is a crime in certain countries, which is where I’m referring to. In the US? It’s a higher standard for hate speech. But even the US has outlawed some forms of it.

 

I sourced that it is, and I do not care about your opinion that serves your agenda.

 

Perhaps that is why they wanted to leave their own country and go to a place where their rights are protected. Of course thy are concerned when they are not, given the global reputation the west has for upholding such rights.
The west declares all human beings are equal under the law. Why should Muslims not expect to be included? Why do you think they should not expect to be?

 

and burkinis, if you remember.
France has not allowed consideration for one's faith to be included in law.
No exception for faith is made in the open street, in courts or the law.
IMO it is enlightened, supports and reinforces the state's ideology of equality (and liberty and fraternity ).
Any obvious attempt to adversely challenge the state via the public religious route is inviting surveillance and legal charges.
and I very much like this . It was one reason I moved here. It puts an end to the wishy washy discussions about freedom of speech and the limits of respecting one's faith. Say what you want in private. Criticise the state in public but NOT via religious incitement. And there will never be sharia law in France. Nor any special favours for anyone.

 

In their own countries they are the majority.
In their own countries they make the rules

 

and clearly they don't like the rules or the government so they opt to go where they are considered equals and free to worship as they please, when and how they please.
I would. Wouldn't you? Or would you stay in a place you disagree with and can't change?

 

Or they are clearly going out to establish new Islamic lands. Koran mention anything about that?

 

YEPP.

 

Oh stop the conspiracy nonsense.
Christians did that cross the globe and there are still missionaries roaming Africa ...and interfering with children.
Jews are still "colonising" Palestine.
China is still jackbooting huge swathes of its territories including Tibet.
Russia is still eyeing up Ukraine and Kazekstan. (sp?)
and you are concerned about a relatively few Muslims with no money, taking over the west???
Hitler said Jews were plotting to replace native Aryan Germans/Austrians etc (even the entire defeated Austro-Hungarian Empire which fell because of the Jews...of course) and were the enemy of the state. He tried to deport them all but no one else wanted them so he murdered them with the tacit (if often deceived) approval of the non Jewish Germans.
McCarthy pointed a finger at those who didn't approve of his political opinions and denounced them as communists. He forced many to leave the USA.
Such conspiracy theories have been around for years...and state security is always "threatened" by a minority you don't like.
Give it a rest.
Any central nervous system of fanatical Muslims has been contained and neutered. No one is going to establish a Sharia state anywhere in the west.

 

After trying to discredit it by calling it a conspiracy theory I noticed that you failed to answer the question.

 

The answer is in the ridicule.
Perhaps you might like to respond to the contents of my post.