France's 20,000 € SUV Pollution Tax

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-offensive-against-suvs-by-raising-penalties

I am having a hard time understanding this article.

Can anyone from France or the EU help me out please?

The projection is that this tax will raise 50M € which FR will use to subsidize electric cars.

But that is only 2 500 SUVs, and the article states that SUVs made up 30% of new sales in 2019.

It doesn't seem to add up to me.

There are only 2 500 SUVs in France?

2019 new sales in France were only 8 333 vehicles?

And this is a yearly tax, yes?

Not a one time penalty, is it?

 

It did say SUVs and trucks.

 

Its a green policy - its not supposed too add up or make sense for that matter. Its just meant to extract more cash from your wallet so the Government has more and you don't....
But seriously......in the paradigm of the green political world......which shouldn't be taken too seriously.....but seriously, its a tax on the vehicles over 1,800Kg except "family cars" and of course leccy cars which St Thunberg has decided will save the planet - added to which as a certain tiger said....theeeeyyyy're Greeeeeeaaaaaat! Actually he didn't and they're crap but, and there's always a but, in the near future we've been promised batteries that will last longer than the length of my driveway. Hopefully the definition of "near future" means before the time the sun starts burning helium and goes red giant in which case it won't matter.
Oh yeah and the tax is particularly aimed at SUV's because they have more money than typical schloggs that can only afford smaller cars and being higher up reinforces their feeling of social superiority....and SUV owners are so wedged up they couldn't give a rats crap about the cost of their fuel so long as the car is clean and full of prim little children for the school run!

And all of that is a pile of crap in the same week that the Frogs offered a EUR1,000 subsidy on anyone wanting to buy a second car....

...don't worry...

 

Drive an SUV do you Scotty?

 

...what gave it away...

 

I like the subsidy on second hand electric cars but the scrapping bonus is counter-productive.
We should be extending the life of old cars not encouraging people to scrap them.
Much of a car's lifetime emissions come from its manufacture.

 

I can't remember which one but - I think its the westbound one just before the Bath exit - anyway one of the service stations on the M4 outside Bristol has a leccy car re-charge point and hidden behind some bushes is a diesel generator that provides the leccy....

 

When the first ICE cars came out you had to buy your petrol by the pint in chemist shops. Cars had a range of 50 or 60 miles.
The blacksmiths, farriers, stables, harness manufacturers etc said it would never catch on.
btw, that diesel generator is probably more efficient and cleaner than the sum of all the ICE cars it replaces and it's just a temporary measure.

 

who knows...I mean by the time you've totted up all the well exploration, drilling, extraction, refining, transportation and and and...does it matter? Same for all those leccy cars and mining, smelting, refining aluminium and lithium and whatever else goes into them yadda yadda its all a game of smoke and mirrors I guess. We'll be told, cajoled, forced or coerced into what to buy and if the market wants us to go leccy then we'll go leccy or if the government tax us up to the tonsils then balls-all you can do about it - but all will be well in the world!! Yay us!

Was thinking of getting a leccy car but they're a bit small and feeble and the trouble is that batteries are about as good as they'll ever be now and from what I've read unless there's some earth shattering new development (if they ever get these silicon things to work) that's about it for now folks.... so anyway at the mo I need the old diesel estate so I can schlepp son's and daughter's bits and bobs back and forth from Uni. Perhaps after they leave then mebbe...even then it'll be an issue as Missus Scotsman never travels light when we go on hols....I mean whole Infantry brigades of the British army take less gear with them when crossing continents than we do when driving to Wales for hols!!

 

See, everyone worries about the one or two long trips they do every year when actually most drivers drive less than 60 miles a day which is well within a current EV's capability.
You can just hire something like a hybrid for those longer journeys.

 

No tax, very cheap mileage, reliable and simple motor with plenty of power and low maintenance costs.
What's not to like?

 

..or ban holidays and the mass migration of yoots to dubious educational establishments...even greener!!

 

...just read that...if so than all these green folk are axiomatically incorrect with blustering on about how bad conventionally fueled cars are as opposed to leccy cars....??? Is that your read on it?

 

Cars should be made to last longer and people shouldn't be incentivised to get rid of an old car that still has life in it.
That's my read on it.
There won't be a choice from 2035 anyway.
Hopefully the new electric cars will be more recyclable than the old ICEs are.

 

I'm open to banning holidays.
Especially the sort where you fly half way around the world to sit by a hotel pool all day.

 

...yeah...I'm with you there...I mean who wants to sit in the refreshing shade of a palm tree listening to the gentle shush of the waves on a white sandy beach whilst exotic semi-naked, dark eyed, sultry babes procure you endless supplies of cold beer....must be hell....

 

Nah - you're talking about the newest proposed tax of 10€/kg on each kilo in excess of 1 800 kg.

I'm asking about last December's tax hike of 12 500 € going to 20 000 €.

I had it in my mind that this was an annual penalty, but I suppose it has to be a one time tax.

Still leaves me with some questions.

Is it just for new vehicles, or does it apply to the resale of used vehicles?

Are there any taxes like these in the UK?

 

I'm not saying they should be banned.
All I'd want is one day's hard labour in a lithium mine for every hour you're in the air.
I'm not a tyrant.

 

who knows what goes on through the tunnel.....I'm sure the frogs here will pitch in and help you out on that...

you shyttin me! This friggin country has a tax on pee mate, take a piss and the taxman has his hand on your todger checking the drips! - we're taxed up to the gills. But we're really okay with it because it helps the poor...... to get rich....on handouts.....hmmmmm.....must have a look at this being poor paradigm.....

 

I think they're mostly automated so us human can spend more time discussing the potential rise of the machines.....and have holidays we can't afford....unless you go to Wales!!

 

Beatles fans, I guess, eh?

 

Taxes here in the US are about 50% of our income.

Federal income tax varies from 10% to 37% for 2020.

I'll go with 22%.

Social Security is 12.4% and Medicare is 2.9%

These two taxes have a hidden component to them in that some folks believe they only pay half this amount and that their employer pays the other half.

Folks that file as sole proprietors have the benefit of seeing these for their full amount.

So we're up to 37.3.

Sales tax here is 8.25, so now we're at 45.55.

All of my bills have miscellaneous taxes on them, the water bill, the, what is this new word I've learned, lessy bill has taxes and fees, the telecom bill.

So these are probably around the equivalent rate of the sales taxes which still leaves me with about 46% of every dollar I earn going to taxes.

Then there are property taxes, mandatory auto/home insurance coverage and associated fees - a bit more difficult to quantify as a percent of income, but let's just toss it at about $5k/$75k for about 6.66%.

Now we're at about 52.21%, and I've not even gotten into the wonderful world of US health care costs.

So what's your average overall tax rate then? 60%?

 

Wales is a fine place to holiday.
Much more suited to a British holidaymaker than some arid hellhole like Benidorm.
Rain, English castles and primitive locals who speak a foreign language, what more could you ask for?

 

Teslas have a range that is approaching 400mi on a full charge. And they have AI so wickedly advanced that they are literally on the cusp of being able to drive themselves autonomously.

I think your analogy is missing a piece. Did London or NYC or Paris pass legislation outlawing horses? Or was it driven more by the existence of a better transportation solution?

Diesel is more efficient that gasoline, but its exhaust is dirtier. And you've certainly not done the math to even begin to estimate how many ICE car emissions have been eliminated by what to all accounts appears to be an ad-hoc installation that is capable of recharging one, two, how many cars and how long do they have to charge to make it their destination or the next charge station.

Where are the programs to support infrastructure with these Greta taxes? Indeed, how dare she.

What is the permanent source of sustainable power that you envision will make the diesel generator only a temporary fix?

Hydro, wind, solar and the fictitious tidal power that's never to my knowledge been implemented - these are our sustainable clean options. Nuclear power isn't clean and a nuke plant is far more an environmental threat than a methane fired co-gen facility.

What is the plan to fit charging stations in the lots of apartment complexes?

What is the plan to switch liquid fuel stations to electric charging stations, when the queue time is at least an hour compared to the present value of maybe five minutes at the pump?

Meh, IPCC bullshit science and even less credible mitigation plans.

 

fusion....tis the way and light sayeth the boffins....and...apparently us Brits are the dogs bolloks in the field and will be the first country to have a commercially viable tokomak....who'd a thought it huh.
So whilst the rest of the world shudders to a halt under the tidal wave of taxes and bullshyte from St. Thunberg's disciples us Brits will be plugging in and powering up...and powering ahead....bwahahaha....

ah yes that stupid shrill little teenager that endangers the application of science by enthralling the world's politicians with idiotic outbursts of childish hysteria......kid should have been atomic wedgied at birth...