France's 20,000 € SUV Pollution Tax

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  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    A bit unnecessary that bit there I think....

    Contained fusion reactors are a huge stretch of boffin imagination that nearly amount to perpetual motion machines.

    I'm all about going sustainable and it can be done, with the optimum option to do so being solar.

    Our dearly departed Sean Connery wouldn't be pleased I think to see a Scotsman call himself a Brit, would he?

    Hahaha - just having a bit of fun there with that last remark, apologies.
     
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    Pro tip.
    If you really want to upset a Scotsman you have to call him English. Many of the skirt wearing cattle rustlers are actually proud to be called British.
     
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    Why does everyone forget that if you own an EV then every time you leave home it is with the equivalent of a FULL TANK?

    Unless your daily commute exceeds the battery range you do not need a charger.

    For those who are planning a vacation the key term is PLANNING so you will KNOW in advance when and where to stop and recharge.

    Taking a hour's break from driving while on vacation is no big deal. It isn't like you have to get to a meeting or a doctor's appointment.

    I have completed the research to go off the power grid and the first stage (solar hot water) has already paid for itself so it is time to implement the off grid experience. My expectation will then be that will be paid off in 7 years leaving me with 18 years of no utility bills assuming I am still around for another quarter of a century which would be on the extreme edge of a best case scenario.

    FTR my current diesel has an "after burner" that collects the "dirty emissions" and then burns them off once I exceed 50 mph. Still not ideal but not as dirty as it would be without that system. I will probably look into a small EV for local errands and keep the diesel for when I occasionally need to schlepp heavy stuff.
     
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  4. The Scotsman

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    sounds great huh....in a perfect world....which it never is.....

    This is my issue with all these kiddy carts - you can't just hop in the bugger and sod off on a jolly - its do I have to book a slot at a charging point...will it work when I get there...what happens if its not working? Where's the next one and is it working and is it free....sod that for a game of marbles. I think I'll wait until Marty McFly's DeLorean is readily available with the Mr Fusion upgrade.
     
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    It's all a con to give people a sense of achievement/helping (when they're not) and to raid the pocket.
     
  6. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with your being BEHOLDEN to the fossil fuel cartel with ever increasing prices that will ultimately make that trip to Wales so expensive that it will become less and less frequent.

    Reducing my living expenses means that my standard of living will not be directly impacted by rising prices at the gas pumps and utility bills.
     
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    ....well...yeah...bit dramatic....then again what "cartel" takes its place...who cares...
    My question is what the UK Government' going to tax when we all change over to kiddy carts, sun panels and windmills? I mean sommat like 60% of the cost of a litre of fuel is "Fuel Duty" then a further 20% of VAT..what are they going to tax in its place? Its all about the money
     
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    We tax the bad people harder.
    Smokers, drinkers, bad fuels etc.
    It doesn't matter anyway. Like you say ''it's all about the money''.
    15 kwh per 100 kilometres. Pennies per mile.
    Low maintenance cost.
     
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    Green folks never get their heads around the cost of scrapping electric, specifically the batteries, which are not recyclable. And the superfund cites that they then create. More, Green folk don't consider the devastating and horrific conditions of those folks who have to find the cobalt in the African nations, and the horror of the death and illness those pursuits result in. But cool, a "non emitting" car.... Of course, the car and the additional load on the power grid does require vastly more output of what they consider pollutants.. but, it's ok, cause government manages that and they'll do a bang up job.

    here's the thing. It's the batteries. They artificially limit you, and your mobility. Their ability to be time friendly is a joke at this point, and for those who use them in the US, their cost of vastly greater than their offset. Oh, and frankly, most of the cars are fragile, and offer pretty poor reliability. Most folks I know that purchased one, are pretty disappointed in them.

    When you look at how these cars were produced, many of them and their brand makers will agree are not designed to last more than 7 years.Their designed failure will create a huge amount of unexpected costs for their owners. France offering 1K Euros to offset that is amusing at best.
     
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    I like that...all the nasty people with sad faces as the taxman stands in front of them with his paw out....
    Well I guess the "bad" people should be re-classified as "national benefactors" because without them there would be fuk all in the way of tax income to shell out to the smarty farty good people. Unless of course all the good people want to stump up the deficit? Tis all about money mate....not about green this or recyclable that or funding St Thunberg's plane rides to conferences. This is not a world saving crusade, its a masquerade; its about the ability to extract as much money as possible from the individual in such a fashion and manner as not to cause civil disobedience.
    ...yes sir....but not the cost per mile...tax per person
     
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    You sound EXACTLY like the buggy whip manufacturers when those new fangled automobiles were replacing horses.
     
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    What was the price of gas when you first began driving compared to what it is today?

    You WILL be paying MORE for gas in in the future.

    With my own solar energy the cost to run an EV will be nothing more than routine maintenance and given the low mileage I do these days it will probably last around 2+ decades.

    Yes, the battery will probably need to be replaced at some point in time but by then RECONDITIONED units will be relatively cheap. They are already cheap for the Prius and by the looks of it a handyman could recondition their own battery relatively easily.
     
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    gosh, I feel so bullied... So, instead of crafting a response to the observations made, you'd rather create an attack, instead of a response. Typical...
     
  14. Derideo_Te

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    :roflol:

    Ironic given that what you posted was a vacuous attack on new technologies that you are unable to provide credible substantiation to support.

    Sad!
     
  15. The Scotsman

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    haven't a friggin clue mate....mind you I was earning bugger all
    I know....we pay more every year as the tax goes up... and inflation and and and...everything goes up its an axiom of modern life!!
    ..sounds like it suites your needs..that's cool mate
     
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    So, compound it with another attack? That's your plan?
     
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    I would point out that gas, at least where I live, is about 70& or what it was about two years ago, and about 60% of what it was four years ago. I can find regular 87 octane for around $1.60 and if you go to Wallyworld, I think i saw it for $1.54. Gosh. I remember the "good old days" under Obama when it was $3.50 And why? Because the US was still importing. And now we aren't . And because we aren't, we are no longer relying on messy, leaking transports that had to cross oceans to get here. We don't have to rely on what the piss mood of an arab child prince feelz.

    Tell ya what. I get around in an electric golf cart around my ville. I have a hybrid car, I also have several other cars/suvs to choose from, depending on what the trip or the fun level defines for me. Given that most things outside of my ville are pretty far, the golf cart can't be used. It has a range or around 40 miles, although I've never tried that. It also only goes 22 MPH. So, it can't be used on a road over 35 MPH by law. And getting from here to anywhere else, well, those speed limits are 70-75 mph highways. So, you need a car/suv. My hybrid delivers around 40 mpg. That's usually because no one limits themselves to the speed limits around here. And my other cars, well, they aren't designed to be "gas savers, they are more powerful and fun than utilitarian.

    The real problem are the batteries. The ones in my hybrid aren't recyclable. The ones in my golf cart aren't recyclable, and at some point, I will pay for someone else to dispose of them in whatever regulated way is necessary. But that doesn't eliminate their toxicity, and I am mindful of that. For someone who claims to be green, or advocate green, your method certainly ignores the gaps in your consumption that frankly aren't very green.
     
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    is that per litre?
     
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    @Grey Matter From what I found, it's a tax that is applied on the first buying of the car in France, so when it's out of factory or imported from a foreign country.

    The tax is based on the carbon generated per kilometer, and is up to 20 000 euros, but it's not yearly, only when you buy the vehicule. I found the rate there:
    https://www.carte-grise.org/ecotaxe.htm

    Don't hesitate to tag me if you need something about France.
     
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    Gallon.
     
  21. The Scotsman

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    holy crap...I think we pay a wee bit more than you...USD6.85 roughly per US Gal....of which roughly 80% is tax....
     
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    Gosh. Wonder why you have to pay that level of taxation. Does your government not like mobility in the population?
     
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    ....god alone knows...
    I Think other than the Chinese military and the Indian railways the UK NHS is the 3rd largest employer in the world and hoovers up something like 60% of UK GDP (chime in everyone if I'm wrong) fuk knows what that is now with all this COVID pestilence going round. So with the NHS being a Government Department you can imagine the ability it/they have to absorb tax payers money....endless!
     
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    Thanks VA!
     
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    Why are they not recyclable ?
     

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