France's 20,000 € SUV Pollution Tax

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  1. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    Its 2.22 Dollars per gallon in my neck of the woods.
    The US oil fracking and gas industry is in deep financial trouble, because world market prices for both are just so fricking low, far to low for fracking.
     
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    Actually they are recyclable but not in the classic sense.

    There is what is called the 2nd Use Market for lithium batteries where they are refurbished and used for other purposes. In essence once a certain percentage of the cells can no longer hold a charge it shortens the range of the vehicle but not all of the cells are faulty. By removing and replacing just the faulty cells you now have an effective battery that could be used for household solar energy storage instead.

    The process of recycling the lithium in the faulty cells exists but the volume is still too small to be profitable. That is going to change in the next couple of years and since lithium is pretty rare it will become commonplace in the near future.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1682-5

    https://phys.org/news/2019-12-lithium-recycled.html
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every time I don't buy a new car, my 84 Bronco with a Cleveland V8 and no emissions controls gets a little more efficient.
     
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  4. Montegriffo

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    That's true, so long as you can afford the petrol no one is going to take it away from you.
    You won't be allowed to use it in big cities though.
    Eventually you'll probably just convert it to electric though to save the hassle.
     
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    What do you think will happen to the price of electricity as the tax take on fossil fuels drops off? Or do you think personal taxation will increase to fill the void?
     
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    The new tax on pretentious coffee should cover it.
    Skinny almond and avocado lattes will have 100% duty on them.
    While we're at it we can tax Starbucks and Amazon and all the other tax dodging multinationals.
     
  7. gnoib

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    Well I know. Recycling is just a matter of law or demand of the end product.

    Lipos get recycled, lead batteries get recycled, solar panels get recycled.
    Lithium is not that rare, its cobalt, but than the next generation will not use cobalt.
    Its all a matter of demand.
    With Cell phones the demand for smaller and better batteries came a long and we got Lipos. Now come the cars, give it a few years and we have what ever it might be called.
     
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    I think that crusty old horse has sauntered out the paddock and wandered off down the lane - even so what ever tax one thinks can be raised from multinationals is a tiny fraction of the amount raised in fuel duty.
    .....is that a thing...??....is it drinkable....???
     
  9. Montegriffo

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    Probably.
    I drink tea myself.
     
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    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    me too - its sensible
     

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