Ah, everybody knows. Another rational and well-argued criterion. And obviously by giving a job to someone solely based on their race you are in no way denying it to anybody else on the basis of their race. You're really funny. - - - Updated - - - You feel people should be treated differently based on their race. That's a clear definition of a racist. You're in denial.
No that is not the definition of a racist, look it up yourself though, I am sick of providing definitions (from a dictionary, not mine) and your totally ignoring them. BUT I repeat, that IS NOT the definition of a racist.
Oh dear, I have a problem, please explain what I am ashamed off? Oh I am ashamed that in the 21st century in a supposedly "enlightened" society that we need to have "affirmative action" .. true but ... I am big enough and intelligent enough to "bite the bullet"and admit it, are you?
of course it is if you are a white anglo-saxon person, no argument there. and it's a real pity that we had government policies mainly up until 1967 (still a few stranglers today) that were based on race, well the Aboriginal race specifically and enough people with prejudice that we have to have them now.
Love the way the lefty racist apologists continually spout a definition of 'racist' that supports their ideaology and agenda. Fact is, the definition of 'racist' is the popularly held perception which is 'anything done on the basis of race'. Personally I think racism can be good and bad but please let's call it for what it is when we see it instead of pretending that some racism isn't racism. Another observation I have made that is being ignored by the racist apologists is the blatant racism of just about every identifiable race in the country other than 'white' people. It would appear only 'white' people can be guilty of racism.
I'm glad I'm not one, IMHO, there is a higher percentage of racists among Aboriginals then whites. More reason for us to take the higher ground, lead by example. You do know its illegal to murder a murderer, don't you?
With all due respect, you have probably already discovered that DV is so entrenched on the Aboriginal sympathy train, that logic and common sense is beyond his ability. He reaches a line in the sand, whereby the truth frightens him so much, that he scampers away on tangents; calls people racists, or backtracks over his own hyprocrisy. He admits that giving an individual special jobs based on age, gender and race is racist and discrimination, but refused to admit the disadvantaged Aboriginal people are being granted these special benenfits over disadvantaged Australians, simply based on "their" race, and nothing else. If Affirmative Action was created to HELP disadvantaged individuals in certain circumstances get employment, then why is the Affirmative Action ONLY helping disadvantaged Aboriginal people into employment by creating "them" special jobs that no one else can get, and not creating special jobs for disadvantaged Australians, that only Australians can get? It would seem DV is suggesting that the Aboriginal people have a monoploy on being poor and disadvantaged in Australia, and entitled to special privileges that no one else can recieve, based on their race.
Its very noticable, when white people stand up and want to be proud of who they are and their culture, the first thing they are accussed of being is racist. Its okay for very other culture to stand up and be proud and be acknowledged of who they are, but not Anglo-Celts or Anglo-Saxons - they are instantly condemned as Nazi's and racists. Maybe its time white people were more proud of who they are, instead of being down-trodden all the time, and having to constantly feel sorry for what strangers did centuries ago.
Does it make you feel proud to stand up and say as a white Australian that Aboriginals "..should have more respect and gratitude for us, then we do for them, considering we could have exterminated the bloody lot of them legally as vermin under the Flora and Fauna Act. One of the most despicable things I've read on this forum, and I've read some incredibly despicable things on this forum. What a heinous, inhumane thing to say. Making a commotion that you want to be proud and stand up as a white Australian while you say Aboriginals have to be grateful and respect us because we didn't exterminate them all. No pride afforded to you. Abhorrent arrogance. Extreme racism.
What makes you think you're any better than anyone else who wanted to "help" Aboriginals with "special" policies for them? Or anyone who has every wanted to have a whole swathe of race specific government policies? What makes you think that *this time* race based policies are going to actually have a "positive" effect? The Race Powers should be abolished, the government should pay compensation to, among others, the stolen generation, and welfare should be distributed based on actual disadvantage, not on race.
Can someone actually produce this "Flora and Fauna Act" please? It's been mentioned several times, but I cannot find any actual information about it.
What I find amusing, is that the resident bigot and the resident racist are so strong in trying to support a racist policy that they actually proclaim they are not racist. It would seem they forget their obvious racist comments to others on the forum and are now trying so hard to show that they are not racist while they promote treating people by race. They say they want equality but continue to demonstrate they want to divide the community by their own racist slant. One must consider that their views are tainted with their own racist beliefs which in my opinion make their credibility zero. All that is needed is the other racist pretender to come on board and they will have a full house...
Found it. In no way did Aboriginal culture and heritage, land rights, hunting rights, etc, in NSW being under the National Parks Flora and Fauna Act make Aboriginals legally considered "fauna" and it okay to kill or "exterminate" them. From the 1837 NSW Myall Creek Massacre trial: Justice Dowling took care to remind the jury that the law made no distinction between the murder of an Aboriginal person and the murder of a European person. In fact, the Flora and Fauna Act was still the main law governing Aboriginal Culture and heritage until at least 2012. O'Farrell apparently promised to change it, but I don't know if they actually have. The Act certainly had nothing to do with the 1967 referendum.
On another topic DV posted that Aboriginals were hunted and killed under the flora & fauna act. I believe he posted this link to substantiate his claim, but the link has no credibility or references. http://stopwhitewashing.tumblr.com/post/48473805126/call-of-cthulhu-sinidentidades-australias I wish you had not have said anything, because I simply love baiting him with false evidence based on his on stupidity.
How much media attention has been foucsed on the Aboriginal stolen generation. We have seen protest marches through our capital city streets demanding compensation and a Government apology for the Aboriginal stolen generation, but have not seen any media spot-light, or protest marches through our streets demading compensation and a Government apology for the tens of thousands of Australian children that were also stolen from their mothers during the same time. So, if you're a poor disadvantaged Aboriginal, who has over-come some difficulity, we are expected to offer you special benefits, compensation, and a protest march through the streets to recognise your adversity, but if you are a poor disadvantaged Australian, who has over-come the same adversity, you just have to take it on the chin and get on with life. Nothing racist about that philosophy, is it?
There's already been a government apology, it was by Julia Gillard, on the same day that Simon Crean went all crazy. There should be compensation for both.
Yes, its fair enough, except for one missing objective. All the comments in the message could encompass every poor disadvantaged Australian living in a similar situation, but the comments only imply that Aboriginal people are poor and disadvantaged.
The apology of the Australian stolen generation was just convenient. We all know who had 99% of the media and Government attention, and it wasn't the Australian victims. Yes, we should be compensating both equally, but who do you think is going to get the bigger slice of the financial pie...
There is a clear "gap" between health and living standards of Aboriginals, and that of everyone else. Just because the government throws a lot of money around, doesn't mean they're actually doing very much for disadvantaged Aboriginals. The "infrastructure" they build for rural communities is crap. God knows where all the money goes, presumably under contractors mattresses and to an army of bureaucrats. More money and welfare doesn't necessarily mean better outcomes. What they really need are jobs, not welfare. Just because in some accountants expenses column there's a big number, doesn't mean Aboriginal communities actually get that money. If they did, they'd all be bloody millionaires. It's a big problem with a lot of large scale charity and welfare. Suddenly it's good for business to increase the number of disadvantaged people. That is never a good situation.
What can I say, Simon Crean is an idiot. I doubt either groups with get anything, if they do get something, it will be laughably small.
Personally, I don't think there is a "clear gap" between health and living standards of poor disadvantaged Aboriginals and poor disadvantaged Australians. I agree with your second & third paragraphs, but cannot the same be said for poor Australians living in crappy Government housing estates? I'm at a lose as to why helping someone is need is based on race, and why it cannot encompass everyone based on their circumstance. What the hell are we becoming as a society, when politicians are forcing us to make a decisions to help someone based on ther race, rather than on their merit and individual circumstances
