Free video/pdf destroys all "official"

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  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One day, Psikey will learn that horizontal beams don't hold themselves up in the air. Until that day he'll continue to believe that their inertia can arrest a dynamic load.
     
  2. Hannibal

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    'Fraud: why did you link to a 'death beams from space' site in your first post? Do you endorse Dr. Wood and her theories?
     
  3. Andrew Johnson

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    Wow - you write to me then post the e-mail here. You don't point out what the article you're referring tries to do - which is stated in the article itself.

    It is an ILLUSTRATIVE CALCULATION and it is NOT MEANT TO BE EXACT.

    It is to illustrate WHY it is important to ASK THE QUESTION thus:

    Where Did the Buildings Go?

    Sadly, you have not chosen to represent me or what I wrote accurately on this forum. I therefore hope others - who will have the courage to use their real names - will post their own more representative thoughts. Or, if they choose not to post anything, they will download and listen to or read as much of "9/11 Finding the Truth" as they have the time for. It should then give them a clearer understanding of why it is so important for some people to misrepresent, misquote, trash, ridicule or "pretend not to understand" both what is in my compilation/book an what it is about (i.e. Dr Judy Wood's research and court case).

    Thank you to the original poster for posting the link. Here is is again.

    http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=238&Itemid=60

    There are also a couple of recent postings on the same subject.

    I was recently copied in on some e-mails to Jim Fetzer, Neils Harrit, Steven E Jones and others. Below is the response I sent them - I think it probably applies to some of the posters on this thread too.

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    Well, to those in the latter group, your attempts, I am sorry are not being completely successful. To those in the other groups, you have a choice as to what you want to learn. I recently received the message below and get these sorts of messages regularly now.
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    On 21 July 2011 22:15, <info@checktheevidence.co.uk> wrote:

    Below is your request/order. It was submitted by ---- at 22:15:15 21-Jul-2011

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    Recipient: info@checktheevidence.com

    Message text: HI ANDREW, I HAVE JUST READ YOUR BOOK, 911 FINDING THE TRUTH, AND FOUND IT MOST ENLIGHTENING.I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING 911 TRUTH FOR YEARS AND THIS IS THE ONLY FEASIBLE EXPLANATION THAT DR.WOOD HAS DISCOVERED. I HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE FABRICATING AND ERECTING LARGE STEEL STRUCTURES AND 911 LEFT ME COMPLETELY BAFFLED BECAUSE I KNEW FIRE COULD NOT HAVE CAUSED IT. I BOUGHT "THE NEW PEARL HARBOUR" ETC. PLUS LOTS OF VIDEOS.THANKS TO YOU AND JUDY WOOD I NOW KNOW ALL THE REST ON WTC ARE DIVERSIONS.
     
  4. Hannibal

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    'Fraud, the author of the 'death beams from space' article is pleased that you posted his theory.

    Are you just as pleased to represent it? It is your OP, after all.
     
  5. BullsLawDan

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    Wow, a "death beams from space" celebrity in our midst!
     
  6. Andrew Johnson

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    AH yes - here we see an example of EXACTLY what I said above - misrepresent, misquote etc.

    Looks like we have a coverupperer in out midst.

    Also, it's an example of anonymous irrelevance at its finest!

    (For those not understanding this, search my website http://www.checktheevidence.com/ and Dr Judy Wood's website http://www.drjudywood.com/ for "death beams from space". Alternatively, you could search for "interferometry" and "field effects" or "hutchison effect" for some more accurate information).

    If the above is the best this forum can do, well, it does indeed "speak volumes" to those with ears...
     
  7. Hannibal

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    Do tell us more about Dr. Jury's theories. In your own words, please.
     
  8. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    This nonsense is approaching TEN YEARS. Is it too much to expect to know the tons of steel and tons of concrete that were on every level to within 5 tons? If anything the question is, "Why weren't most physicists and structural engineers demanding that within weeks of 9/11?"

    How could the top of the north tower accelerate downward into the mass of the rest of the building to the ground in less than 18 seconds. What do REAL NAMES have to do with physics?

    The 9/11 debate is more psychological bullsh# than physics. Or people trying to sell books not worth reading. Ten years of grade school physics. Amazing!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo"]&#x202a;WTC Modeling Instruction &amp; Testing in the Real World&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube[/ame]

    What does his book explain better than that?

    psik
     
  9. Hannibal

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    Another hijacked thread, psik?

    Why not just start your own and bump it as often as you like?
     
  10. RtWngaFraud

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    The whole thing took place "somewhere" in the Universe. That's specific enough for the "official" BS story propagators.
     
  11. Hannibal

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    You keep hiding from your own OP - what are you afraid of?

    'Fraud: why did you link to a 'death beams from space' site in your first post? Do you endorse Dr. Wood and her theories?

    The author has posted here that he's very proud of your standing up for 'space death beams'. Are you happy with this endorsement?
     
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    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    Dancing machine, dancing machine...LOL
     
  13. Hannibal

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    Yes, you do keep dancing away from your own propaganda. Again and again.

    Why are you afraid to respond to your own OP link? Who's paying you off to remain silent?
     
  14. NAB

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    Protip: if you're embarrassed by your own links, then don't post them in the first place.
     
  15. BullsLawDan

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    The truth is, Fraud has done what all 9/11 Deniers do... He posted something without knowing all the facts, and ignored the forest for the trees.

    He linked to the site in his OP because it had one little thing he liked, without realizing it was a "death beams from space" website. His missed the forest for the trees, just as he ignores the ridiculously overwhelming evidence for the generally accepted explanation of 9/11 in favor of his tiny (perceived) "anomolies".

    He could gain a tiny bit of credibility back here by admitting that's what happened - that he linked the site without realizing the kookiness contained therein - but as I have so often pointed out, the best part of being a conspiracy theorist is never "having" to admit you're wrong.
     
  16. BullsLawDan

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    Are you denying "your" site and Dr. Judy Wood's website posit the theory that the WTC was destroying by orbiting energy weapons as opposed to being struck by airliners? Of course, you don't actually call it a "death beam from space," that's my phrase (intentionally designed) to make your cockamamie theory look silly.

    "Directed Energy Weapon" is the term you use, correct?

    I mean, it's clear you (and Dr. Wood) think that the WTC was destroyed by a space-based energy weapon. No?

    Since you asked me to search your site:

    When I had
    read Judy Wood’s Beam Weapon (now often termed Direct Energy Weapon DEW) paper, it seemed clear to me that the evidence she compiled showed clearly that Black Technology had been used in the destruction of the WTC –to me, there was no other possible way the sheer scale of destruction –as indicated by the surprisingly small pile of debris seen following the decimation of the towers –could have been caused.

    Do you deny that's from your site? Here's the link:
    http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/911 Evidence and Analysis Volume 1 - Side 1.pdf
     
  17. Andrew Johnson

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    What? You said "Death Beams From Space" - the point is YOU CHANGED IT TO YOUR WORDS. I know what I said.

    What do you think happened on 911?

    I put my affidavit in a Court Case - and in principle left myself open for prosecution if I was found to be lying. What have you done? NOTHING except generate anonymous NOISE on a forum - along with most of the other posters here.

    http://www.drjudywood.com/pdf/080229_AffdAJ_60.pdf

    THAT'S what I meant by misquote misrepresent etc. I'd be quiet if I werre you because EVERY SINGLE post you have made - and do make - proves what I have said is true.

    I presume you support misrepresentation and cover up if you continue to post in the manner you have. Shocking behaviour - in denial of truth and evidence.

    This is my last post here - interested readers can find ALL the required information on the links already posted and can e-mail me questions about anything that's not clear.

    Goodbye and good luck - you're going to need it!
     
  18. happy fun dude

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    Do you mean the 9/11 commission report? Like the official story?

    This is what you said last time, phrased differently ("dominant paradigm") and I asked you for evidence of its widespread worldwide acceptance but you didn't provide any polls or anything.

    Also does this include the plotting and funding of the attack, and who masterminded it?

    Do you think those are "established facts" that you must be a "9-11 denier" to disagree with?
     
  19. BullsLawDan

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    Ok... I don't see your point here. You think "directed energy weapon" sounds credible, but "death beams from space" sounds kooky? Did you ever consider maybe it sounds kooky because your theory is kooky?
    A bunch of pissed-off Muslims hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings. Anyone with a rational thought in their mind can see that.
    Intentionally lying. I don't deny that you actually believe your horse(*)(*)(*)(*). Lots of people have genuine beliefs that also happen to be completely wrong. There's a whole museum in our country publishing the "theory" that cavemen rode dinosaurs around.

    The fact that you put your clearly insane beliefs in an affidavit does not make them true.
    I have had an actual career. Two kids. A home. Active in local politics. Led a church. Put together a cool train set.

    What have you done? Wasted a decade on a delusion.
    How does posting here affect what really happened on 9/11? Clearly it does not.
    I support making 9/11 Deniers like you look like idiots, because you spit on the victims of that tragedy and everything our nation stands for when you espouse this nonsense.
    You'll be back.
    Calling it "the official story" is a typical 9/11 denier ploy to attempt to play on the natural (and in most cases healthy) suspicion Americans have regarding overreaching government. It also denies the fact that many independent, non-government investigations have arrived at the same conclusion.
    You need evidence that your cockamamie theories are dismissed by the vast majority of people? It should be self-evident from the tiny size of your "movement". When's the last time a 9/11 denier event drew more than a dozen people?

    As a comparison, thousands of people showed up (for both sides) to protest and support gay marriage in NY. 9/11 deniers have become more ignored and marginalized than the Westboro Baptist Church.
    I think the fact that our government had nothing to do with the plotting and funding are established facts, yes.

    I won't deny the unfortunate involvement of our government in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. Our meddling, coupled with our clumsy exit from that situation, combined with our thirst for oil [which helped make the Bin Laden family rich], and several other diplomatic strategies contributed to the rise of groups like Al-Queda and the Taliban.

    But specific involvement with 9/11? Not from our government.
     
  20. happy fun dude

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    What would you rather I called it?

    And what other investigations are you referring to? You know who HASN'T? A judge or jury.

    No I want evidence that YOUR theory is almost univerally EMBRACED by the vast majority of people.

    What kind of stupid fallacy attempt is this? Comparing apples and motorcycles? People can hold beliefs regardless whether they go on the streets with picket signs or not.. Try making a valid comparison here. Gay marriage give me a break.. Compare the number of 9-11 truth activists on the street to the 9/11 commission report is right let's convict KSM already activists... How many people attented the last "9/11 report is absolutely correct let's bring KSM to justice" rally?

    You think... Right.. Normal people want actual evidence to determine if a fact is "established".. So what is the evidence about who did or didn't plot/fund the attacks.

    All this and you didn't answer the question.. I assume you do mean the 9/11 commission report and I'll assume as you didn't dispute but please say otherwise.

    I'm not making any allegations about who plotted or funded the attacks.. I don't see facts and evidence pointing at any particular individuals, government AQ or whatever.

    All I'm doing is pointing out YOUR theory about the plotting and funding of the attack is NOT as universally accepted as you claim and is also NOT supported by evidence.

    By all means do show some evidence if you disagree.
     
  21. BullsLawDan

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    How about, "What actually happened," since that would be correct.
    Dozens. Independent media sources, academic papers, and so on. It's the most studied and investigated criminal occurrence of the last 400 years.
    LOL... So if a judge or jury determined that 9/11 was plotted and carried out by Muslim extremists, with no invlovement from our government, you'd be satisfied with that?

    Yeah, right. You'd immediately declare the judge, jury, and everyone else "in on the conspiracy." That's the way you goofs work. Move those goalposts!
    It should be self evident from the fact that everyone carries on as if it were true.

    If the majority of people thought "the government" was behind 9/11, there would be absolute (*)(*)(*)(*)ing chaos.

    Don't be silly. Try to think rationally for just a few seconds, alright?
    They don't have to. People who think the right thing is happening, and that the truth has already been investigated and determined beyond any reasonable doubt don't NEED to go to rallies. Women aren't marching for the right to vote in the U.S. because they have the right to vote... get it?


    ...So blinded by your confirmation bias you can't even stop for a minute and think about how goofy your posts sound when read back.
    Do you understand that it is pointless to show you until you show some ability to overcome the psychological flaw you have regarding confirmation bias?

    The information is all freely available. The fact that you're bothering to ask for it means you're not going to accept it.
    LOL... see... only a person with ridiculous amounts of confirmation bias could say this when various members of Al-Queda admitted their roles in the attacks.
    It's accepted by anyone with the ability to form a rational thought, and the evidence is there beyond a reasonable doubt.
     
  22. happy fun dude

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    As soon as you show some good evidence about the plotting and financing of the attack as told by the commission report, I'll call it that. Why would I call it what really happened when even the 9/11 commission, let alone any of you lot, can show any real physical evidence.

    Good.. Why don't you cite one of these "investigations" or two about who masterminded, orchestrated and funded the attacks.

    Even more so than JFK? I assume you have some numbers for me, to show how you've quantified it and come to this conclusion? Oh wait who am I kidding..You've yet to actually show proof for any of the claims you've made to me.

    I will believe the official story as told by the 9/11 commission that these guys who they have in custody plotted this attack, when they convict them for it.. Until then, it's speculation.

    This is just a non argument and personal attack.. Don't tell me what I'll say before I say it; I've never claimed a courtroom got it wrong.. Also, stop the personal attacks please.

    False dichotomy.. Fail.

    KSM and the government aren't the only two choices.

    People might believe it's other Arabs, Jews, whatever.. The point is, spare me this about "self evident" YOU claimed what public opinion is, and that the vast majority save a handful of truther nutters embrace the 9/11 commission report as solid fact about what happened.

    Now there have been POLLS about 9/11 opinions, beliefs and the 9/11 commission report.

    Your fallacy is in trying to base arguments on vague reasoning and what you subjectively think is sound logic, instead of just facts and numbers..

    For example, what the public at large believe is NOT determined by a headcount of how many people are holding picket signs.. It is determined by a scientific analysis to determine the beliefs of the WHOLE group, which includes people who sit in their home withOUT waving a picket sign.

    This is a poll. They are already on the internet.. Show me the poll that confirms what you claimed about the vast majority of people believe the story in full as told by the 9/11 commission report.

    Don't be silly. Try to think rationally for just a few seconds, alright?

    And people who don't trust the "investigation" they got from their government and don't trust the 9/11 commission report don't NEED to go to rallies either, get it?

    Nobody on this board or the 9/11 commission or the FBI or anyone else has ever provided it.

    So I get nothing but copouts on this board; here's the latest.

    You know as well as I do you don't HAVE the real evidence against KSM other than CIA heresay.. All I get off you people who claim there is real evidence is vague assurances that it is there, not just saying "well you have this document and this surveillance video etc." and actually just saying what the evidence is.

    You've not got the evidence, I understand this.. But if you can't provide it then stop making the claims.

    It's not beyond a reasonable doubt enough to convict the people they have in custody who they say did it.

    As far as admitting their roles.. The named individuals in the 9/11 commission report only admit their roles when they are sleep deprived into a phsychotic state and then tortured into it.. So it means nothing. If their "confessions" were genuine there would be outside evidence showing the stories told were true.

    Something you fail in showing.
     
  23. 9/11 was an inside job

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    OCTA'S only see what they want to see so they wont look at any evidence.they always run off with their tail between their legs when you refer a video to them to watch or a book to read and ask them to debunk it.Obviously doing what their handlers tell them to do.:-D:mrgreen:
     
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    You keep hiding from your own OP - what are you afraid of?

    'Fraud: why did you link to a 'death beams from space' site in your first post? Do you endorse Dr. Wood and her theories?

    The author has posted here that he's very proud of your standing up for 'space death beams'. Are you happy with this endorsement?
     
  25. BullsLawDan

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    Zacarias Moussaoui


    Now, you can either admit you believe it, or move the goalposts (which is obviously what you'll do, as a 9/11 Denier).
     

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